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Fullsize Pre-runner Thread!

Ok, taking both of your replies into account.

I have 0 experience in pre-running or dunes, BUT, as with just about every application except for pulling, weight is going to screw you, and you just have to build more power to make up for it. Light parts = expensive, power = expensive.

If you truly want to build a full size, by all means, go for it. I'm sure it'll be a blast. However, if you're looking for something as light as possible and pretty affordable, I think you're starting with the wrong platform. From a quick google search it looks like the curb weight of a 2WD K10 is ~3500 lbs. I'm getting results that vary from 3000 lbs. all the way to 5000 lbs., so I'll use 3500. For comparison's sake, a '90-'94 Toyota in the same trim is ~2500 lbs. That's 1000 lbs. difference to begin with. Strip 100 lbs. in junk out of the fullsize and 75 out of the 'Yota, now you're at 925 lbs. difference. The Toyota now weighs 70% of what the fullsize does. 30% is a HUGE difference. Now, drop an SBC into the Toyota and add 300 lbs...the Toyota still weighs 83% of what the Chevy does. Not huge, but enough to make a pretty big difference.

My K5 with SBC/700/241 'tons and 40's weighed in the 7,000 lb. neighborhood without a top and with a stripped interior. So, I would be more apt to lean towards the 5,000 lb. estimate. If you start with that, the Toyota weighs 55% of what the fullsize does, you have a fully boxed frame to start with, and a rear axle that is as strong as a 10 bolt but has a dropout third and a housing that you can truss extremely easily. You would have to nearly double the output of a small block to make up for the weight difference.

I'm sure running dunes would be fun no matter what vehicle you chose, but weight is a killer, and if you don't need the cab space I think you'd have a vehicle that performs better if you started with a different platform.
 
ok I have figured it out, narrow and shorten a chevy truck to be the same size as a toyota, you will still LOOK like AND BE a chevy but be as light as a toyota, problem solved. :D :haha:
 
It'd be nearly the same deal Gus...



Those are great points Mikey... I drove a late 80's 'yota while my truck was having the tranny work done and it was snug... my dad literally couldn't even fit in the truck. Once I was in I was ok but I'm definately not getting any smaller :)
So that is the main reason I wouldn't go 'yota...
 
Try a 4runner. I have to squish into a standard cab but I wheel a 'Runner and it has plenty of room. I even have enough room to work the clutch with my big fat feet.
 
haha I know the fat feet deal... I could hardly drive my dad's 300Z when he had it and depending on the shoes he was wearing sometimes he'd actually hit the clutch and brake at the same time b/c he wears a 15-16 shoe...


You squish into a fullsize standard cab or a 'yota standard cab?
 
Come on Avery, you know a 3,000 lb. truck with 350 horses (vortec 5.3) and paddles would be fun. :D

I have to squish into my roommate's wheeling rig. Standard cab 'Yota. Never driven an ex-cab. 90's and up have more room though.
 
Oh yeah man don't get me wrong I'd love stupid power to weight ratio but I also love not having my knees in my chest :)
 
haha I know the fat feet deal... I could hardly drive

I can relate to this I was driving one Of my friends Saturn to do She Got pissed at me for riding the Brake Well my Fat feet were on both pedals wheather I like it or not

lol it Sucked
 
if all the wheeling you like to do is in the sand then why not just go with a sand rail?

i am planning on building a sand rail this summer

this one is a little flashy for me but.

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Its another option, just not something I brought up in this thread...

A Sandrail would be nice but definately some serious $$$...
 
if you can find an old sand rail frame its not bad or build a frame if you have the tools.

always the baja bug option, but i prefer the sand rail.
 
Its another option, just not something I brought up in this thread...

A Sandrail would be nice but definately some serious $$$...


Ya but there cool


In a couplem Of years I am probaly gonna be out west so I was gonna mod the suspension on the Blazer to make it more sand friendly

Ive wheeled sand Before its accualy really fun, I like almost as much as mud.
 
Yeah like I said I'm researching the sand rail option but I started this thread to get more info on a full size pre-runner...
There are quite a few mid-travel sand rails for sale in the Fresno area so its definately an option...
 
Power Power Power and paddles. I don't care what you weigh (within reason of course) if you have enough hp to turn paddles at a high wheel speed (75 mph+) you will surprise alot of poeple. Coilovers and air bumps in the front with a trussed 60 14b out back, skin EVERYTHING with glass no doors no windows gutted interior no heater no radio no anything extra and it will be killer. I wheel sand alot and have with some high horsepower rigs. You will never be able to out climb a half decent rail but you will have a hell of alot of fun and still be able to do other types of wheeling

BTW Avery we have a hill at St. Anthony called chokecherry that even a 4 wd with quite a bit of power and paddles all the way around can't climb well at least not yet at least, a built 454 with a 400 shot of nitrious and some 38" paddles should do it though mabey

When you build this prerunner creation come on up to Idaho and run the dunes with us
 
Yeah I know there are so many ways to be successful in the sand but a lot of it comes down to power...
Chris or Gary might chime in here (although I don't see them post much...username Chevyin) but they were SO much help last time I was out in Oceano and they were running in Gary's '80 K5 that was pretty much stock (again maybe they'll chime in) but it was on 33" BFG AT's and Chris could drive the pants off of that thing and I know it didn't have tons of power...

So maybe I'd be better off building a stripped down blazer or pickup and spending time out in the dunes getting practice before I even worry about building some bad ass hybrid pre-runner or sand rail... again its fun to dream though :)
 
Apperantly my net was on the fritz.

My turn to chime in though. The 88-98 reg cab short bed would be the way to go. Gut the interior, basic gauges in an alum. dash panel, light chrome moly cage and light buckets. next ditch the bed, fiberglass skins on the rear feul cell and spare as far back as possible. Full 1 peice front clip. Drive train, high rev'ing small block, th400, 14bff set the engine and trand back 8-10".

Theres Tons of stuff to lighten your truck. for example a chevy steering column wieghs more than a simple tube column no tilt just a quick relese wheel. Im willing to bet you could lighten it and build a basic 8pt cage and fly in under 3500lbs with ease. Tons of stuff will shed pounds quick that you wont need , like headlights and their buckets, radiator support (use tube) ect.

Everyone says its expencive but when it comes right down to the nitty gritty its cheaper than stock parts. A one peice front end... sure its gunna be upwards of $1000 but price everything for a stock front clip. (as though you had a head on colision) I know I can get fiberglass front fenders and besdies for $1000 for all 4, to fit my 97. Also thats not the race weight stuff its the heavy duty. Race weight fiberglass is cheaper and lighter.

It can be done relitivly cheap. I have looked into it.
As far as rails go, they are expencive! everything about them is expencive. For instance I needed a quick relese for the steering wheel. Every rail suppy it was over $30 I found the same thing in a hot rod catalog for $12
 
Nice page... I've always liked this blazer...

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If you have the balls or the suspension to keep your speed up its hard to get stuck I have a freind who scares everyone with a basically stock YJ on 31s no lockers I have seen him keep up with just about every truck that is on the sand.
 

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