FYI ORD zero rate/weld brace NOT NJ LEGAL

[Fred_M1010]

I'm not bashing zero-rates here, I would probably use them in the front if a had the need for an extra inch.

But I understand how thay could consider it a lift block.
I can't see how the fact that the centerpin goes through them changes all that much.
If the U-bolts get loose, the centerpin will probably snap anyway.

And I don't think it's completely fair to compare it to an uncut overload leaf.
When braking, the overload leaf will help against springwrap which can effect caster angle negatively,
which isn't good if you need to do an evasive manoever at the same time
but if you cut it or use a zero-rate it will worsen the springwrap due to the addad leverage.

It can't be much though, so I probably wouldn't care myself...

 

[Blue85]

If the U-bolts get loose, the centerpin will probably snap anyway.

This is true of any leaf assembly, regardless of configuration.

 

[TheBeast_88K5]

I'd look up the law yourself....

Just because he's the "authority" on the subject, doesn't mean he's right.
Some people are wrong, some right.
Other's lie to save face.

I'd check it out.
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Wouldn't be the first time an "official" was wrong...

 

[RootBreaker]

I'd look up the law yourself....

Just because he's the "authority" on the subject, doesn't mean he's right.
Some people are wrong, some right.
Other's lie to save face.

I'd check it out.
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Wouldn't be the first time an "official" was wrong...

yeah im going to ...
going to call trenton and ask them... for the code number... and definition


but do remember.. this guy said no.... so he also said months ago on the phone he wouldnt pass my ground hawgs.. only allowed 38's and my 40's on 12" wide rims pulled height down to 38.25 and he said he wont pass them... but they did pass them twice...

so think about it. if i argue with him and tell him he is wrong.. then im going to be screwed everywhere else...
i can take them out for now.. and persue later... as long as i can get inspected it will be good for 2 years.. so small price to take off.... did that with my offroad lights...

 

[Big Ray]

...bet he drives a prious...

 

[TheBeast_88K5]

Shouldn't you have a free vehicle code book, at your dmv?
We do in here in Cali....

You should look into getting one.
Get to know the code pretty well, and talk to an attorney.
I find that a good legal footing, is what's needed in these situation's.

I've threatened to use my attorney TON's of times.... (Always in the right.)
The big ego's usually step down at that point.

Like I said, just cause he's the "authority",
don't mean a judge won't have him removed for pulling illegal punches.

But, I doubt it'll ever get that far.

For the love of gawd, don't just rollover on the issue. (If you are right, that is...)

 

[AJMBLAZER]

I think the thing we're missing here, and root hasn't directly said, is that this is NJ. The officials at this level are famous for being corrupt or just dumb and basically doing what they want. He could probably win if he really pushed it...but it would cause him endless grief with the governmental machine he has to deal with there.

I've fought the government and won...but the only thing I had to deal with was SLOW bureaucracy in Michigan.

 

[RootBreaker]

I think the thing we're missing here, and root hasn't directly said, is that this is NJ. The officials at this level are famous for being corrupt or just dumb and basically doing what they want. He could probably win if he really pushed it...but it would cause him endless grief with the governmental machine he has to deal with there.

I've fought the government and won...but the only thing I had to deal with was SLOW bureaucracy in Michigan.

ding ding ding.. i will take them off.. get my 2 year sticker.. then get the code and work from there... at least it wont slow me down.. and then maybe once i find things out.. maybe then ORD can have this info for themselves...

i love ORD products so im not knocking you guys... one would think that a vendor would already pursue this or state on their site that it is not legal for street use but check local laws... like said.. either way i still would have bought them...

love my xover, steering brace and soon to be removed/reinstalled zero rates

 

[ryoken]

and as a long time hotrod parts buyer, we're all familiar with almost any aftermarket part having offroad disclaimers.... heck, i remember that in the early 80's building Cuda's, etc...

and everyone knows you have to pick and choose what you want to try and get away with... running Megasquirt in my rig ain't legal in Joysey, but they'll never know....

pretty sure ORD has a few things listed as offroad use... Chris would know...

 

[TheBeast_88K5]

I guess that's true.

I don't know jersey.
I know "sue-happy" Call-ee-four-knee-uh....

 

[AJMBLAZER]

You'll notice a lot of great offroad parts don't get patented or whatever by their makers.

Too much money involved with all the legal mumbo jumbo to do and then defend.

Similarly I'm betting ORD and a lot of the other companies have a nice little * somewhere on their site that states something about may not be legal in every location, check your local laws. Too much time and money for them to climb through every state and municipality's legal codes regarding vehicles to see if their stuff is legit in them.
They sell stuff that is legal in free states and in offroad only vehicles in others. Up to you to find out.

Sorta like a lot of gun retailers are now just stopping doing business in the highly restrictive states. Not worth their time or hassle to deal with the states that illegally restrict the Constitution. They'd rather do business with people and businesses in the free states.

 

[KirsL]

Jersey just sucks period when owing a lifted rig. I took my truck to the Asbruy location back in 09 and the guy spent a solid hour going over every inch of the truck. He didn't find anything but that's only because I spent the previous 2 months checking everything to make sure it passed. Whole process took two for my truck and it doesn't get any emissions checked since its a diesel. That would've added another hour probably.

 

[RootBreaker]

well go read my build thread if u want to see the inspection crap i went through today..

but i wanted to also say.. i went through with zero rates out...
in addition... the guy mentioned i should get a steering brace.. told him i had one... not fully installed.. will complete it soon as i only did the Y part...

anywho i mentioned that ORD Makes a weld in steering brace and asked if it is legal to use.. he said no.. truck is not allowed to have the frame welded at all.. so not sure how one fixes a frame if it ever cracks...
editing the title of the first post...

 

[Fordum]

What the heck is involved in one of these inspections. Are gloves and lubricant involved?
I swear I cannot see how they would notice a welded frame unless its so sloppily done that its obvious.
Are you allowed to paint a frame? I could cut a frame in half, weld it back, grind the weld smooth and paint it and defy someone to find the weld.

On my 250 they did just that, except they did not paint the weld, and did not grind it completely smooth.
Within a year, I was having problems showing people where it was welded.

 

[swettysblazer]

My frames welded, I'm from NJ, and I passed. I guess it depends on where you go. I have the weld in steering brace.

 

[wasted wages]

anywho i mentioned that ORD Makes a weld in steering brace and asked if it is legal to use.. he said no..

Sometimes it's better not to ask questions like this.....It only draws attention to the issue,,,,and 9 times out of ten they are going to tell you what you don't want to hear.....

they have a job to protect,, and if he tells you "hell yeah... it's cool...go ahead and weld it on"....he is sticking his neck out to have it hacked off the first time there is a wreck caused by some hack job weld repair....

Of course he was going to tell you no....

Not saying your work is hack by any means....but they have no way of verifying the repair job....now, maybe if you offered to have the frame x-rayed after the repair by a reputable welding shop...he may approve the repair.

He has no way of verifying the way the repair was done...the material used for the repair or the weld..... or the experience of the person doing the welding...Check with people in your area that build stretch limo's,,, I bet they have to have all sorts of certifications done on the people that make the welds and their shop procedures....

Like Fordum said.... just do it....paint it all to match.....don't say a word....the burden will be on them to find it and reject it...if he inspects the truck and doesn't say anything about it,,,,and signs off on it.... then it must have been good enough...

why draw attention to anything ??

 

[Brown75K5]

Just move to Arkansas, no emissions testing and they got rid of yearly vehicle inspections. The state couldn't see the necessity in it, plus I don't think they were making any money on them and it was a hassle, so away they went.

 

[ryoken]

Joysey infuriates me...

rant on.... inspections where instituted for safety.. brake lights, turn signals, brakes and such...

but f*ck all that safety bs, we just do emissions now... god forbid a car smokes a bit, but it's ok to cruise around with no brake lights... f*ckin treehuggers...

and everything else just gets emission tested, yet a lifted rig still has to get all the old stuff checked too... brakes, lights, etc... i don't care if ya wanna run it thru a stability test, but why should my lights be checked if noone else's are?

 

[RootBreaker]

Joysey infuriates me...

rant on.... inspections where instituted for safety.. brake lights, turn signals, brakes and such...

but f*ck all that safety bs, we just do emissions now... god forbid a car smokes a bit, but it's ok to cruise around with no brake lights... f*ckin treehuggers...

and everything else just gets emission tested, yet a lifted rig still has to get all the old stuff checked too... EXCEPT brakes, lights, wipers, horn... i don't care if ya wanna run it thru a stability test, but why should my lights be checked if noone else's are?

fixed it for ya man...

to tell you what... im glad they still look over the lift.. or i would be driving down the road with 2 of 4 gearbox bolts loose, 1 bolt on crossmember loose and 1 ubolt loose... im the first to gripe.. but they provided me a safety service... while cars do not get tested for everything.. they now dont do that stuff for lifted trucks....

 

[KirsL]

Joysey infuriates me...

rant on.... inspections where instituted for safety.. brake lights, turn signals, brakes and such...

but f*ck all that safety bs, we just do emissions now... god forbid a car smokes a bit, but it's ok to cruise around with no brake lights... f*ckin treehuggers...

and everything else just gets emission tested, yet a lifted rig still has to get all the old stuff checked too... brakes, lights, etc... i don't care if ya wanna run it thru a stability test, but why should my lights be checked if noone else's are?

I completely agree. I've lost count of how many cars I've driven behind with no brake lights/blinkers . Makes no ****ng sense