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Guess you've never noticed that the vast majority of the media is slanted towards the left, that democrat/liberal views and issues almost always get good press, that republican/conservative views and issues usually get negative press, etc etc etc? People like Rush Limbaugh and G Gordon Liddy are the minority in the media. Since "enviromental" issues are a popular leftist issue, it always gets covered. Watch a little nightly news, and tell me that it isn't left biased. Try some "Red" Dan Rather for a week.
Oil spills are like airplane crashes. They are horrible, but they are few. However, no one cares if an airplane flies across the country and lands safely. If it crashes, and lots of people die, then it's news. Same for an oil tanker. Everyday hundreds of thousands (if not more) of barrels worth of oil is being floated, driven, piped, whatever across the world. Who cares? Nothing interesting there. As soon as one of those oil tankers runs aground, a truck over turns, or a pipe bursts, it's a world wide news event.
Yeah, the Exxon Valdez was a horrible disaster, but I don't know about the worst. Seems to me ol' Mt Saint Helens blowing it's top did a bit more damage than all that evil oil. Hmmmmm, you want us to cap all volcanos and outlaw lava?
So where are we supposed to get our oil if we can't use our own? I guess where we already get it, from the OPEC, meaning the middle east, and a little from Micronesia and South America. So I guess all that oil that Saddam Hussein released into the Persian Gulf back in '91 doesn't matter, because you aren't 'wheeling there. Wonder what Nyyef has to say about that? How about in South America? You aren't there, I know Blazer79 would have an issue with oil on his beaches (yes, I know Guatemala is in Latin America).
I'd bet the chances of an oil spill off Pismo or any US beach if we started drilling our resources would be just as likely as an airplane falling on you if a million more people suddenly became qualified pilots.
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Here in OKC, I filled up my truck yesterday and 87 octane was 1.29 and 93 was 1.39. The summer of 99 we were paying as low as .74 a gallon. Oil field pumps were turned off because the were only making .12 a barrel profit. Now they are turned back on because the profit margin is a lot higher. There is only a shortage of cheap gas. There's plenty of expensive gas to go around. My votes for Bush/Cheney for a lot of reasons, not just this one.
 
It is not Bush or Gore that are responsible for the high gas prices, and your vote will not make one bit of difference (do vote however but look at a much bigger picture than gas prices). The basic economic law of supply and demand is the only thing that will make a difference. The reason I say this is that big oil company executives are controlling these prices, and the amount you pay relates directly on the profits these oil companies feel they can extract from you. The only way we are going to see lower prices is to use these basic economic laws and boycott certain companies until they lower their prices. It may take months or more, but when these companies feel the pinch I bet you will see price reductions. Why doesn't someone begin organizing something, and lets see what happens. Nike in Mo

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Hate to sound like a @$$, but I have a few different views on the price of gas. 1)The price if gas in my area is at its' low now at $1.39 but has been up to $1.89 here in the KC area for the cheep stuff. That price is lower that a BigMac or a G of Milk. That is kind cheep. 2)This summer I read a story in "The Grand Lake Cronical" about the higher gas prices is like paying a Premium to have fun a the lake. Well this is the Premium we pay to have hot cars and big trucks. 3)I just graduated from college, and whill in college I had a 87 Honda with 250,000 miles on it. It would take me 3 to 4 hours of work (at min wage) to fill the gas tank, however today I am computer programer and it takes me about 1 to 1.5 hours of work to fill a empty tank in my K5. I know that looking at this way kind of makes most people mad, and I am sorry. I know that if I was still driving a honda I wound have $1000 rims and LOUD F***ing system, but I have a Blazer that gets piss poor gas milige and LOVE IT. I would love to see gas around $1.25 for everyone. Just thought I would give a different turn on the gas price thing.
But I think I still will Vote for Bush also, not sure so far.

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I gotta agree with Nike. For something as important as gas, supply and demand sucks because demand is astronomically high. It's just like milk. It goes up all the time, but it's a damn near necessity so you'll pay whatever for it.

Plus do you think the gas price from OPEC goes up and down all that much to cause a gallon to change 10 cents or more? No. The gas companies/stations read the newspaper the same way we do and change the price according to the news and how much they can get away with.

I will be voting for Bush but I really don't think the price of gas will be the least bit affected.

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I am on the front range (Denver Area) in Colorado and we are paying around 1.60 for the cheap stuff.

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I'm in San Diego, and the cheapest you'll find the cheap stuff is $1.80, way too damn much!!!!
Okay, about supply and demand, I happen to know a little about supply and demand (I was an Econ major in college), the truth is that the laws of supply and demand ONLY apply in an open market. The world market for oil is NOT an open market, it is a monopoly controled primarily by middle-eastern oil producing countries. MY OPINION is that Washington DC, does have an affect on oil prices because of one thing; foreing policy. The clinton/whore administration has had no positive effect on the US's status in the world oil market. Another thing, for those who think that Bush has no potenital affect on oil prices, consider this, how much would we be paying for oil if we produced it domestically (responsibly of course)? Tuesday night gore critized Bush for his plan on tapping domestic oil, because it would take too long for the actual oil to start pumping, but guess what, the democrats have had the last EIGHT years to address the issue and nothing has been done about it. Remember the Gulf War and gas prices during that crisis? That should have been an eye-opener to the incoming democrats that the US is WAY too dependant on foregin oil. Bush all the way.....
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PS I'm not trying to step on toes, I just enjoy a good politcial discussion. BTW did I mention BUSH ALL THE WAY?

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$1.61 a gallon is the cheapest for Arco regular here in So Cal. Course, I can remember when it was $1.41 a gallon back in 1981 when I was making only $8.00 an hour!! Ya gotta put it in perspective!! I hate the high prices, but my gas bill is proportionatly lower today than it was in 1981...(damn, I'm OLD!!!).

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I also hate paying so much for fuel! Right now our gas is 74.9 cents per litre. ( $1.95/gal )
I also remember paying 54.9/liter($1.45/gal) in 1985 when I was making $6/hour. So I used to have to work 10 hours to fill my tank in 1985, now I work 3.4 hours to fill the same tank. It still sucks, but mostly because the increase in gas prices was 20cents/litre almost overnight. Last year at this time I got gas here for 23.9 cents/litre (.614/gal).Now there is a gas price anyone can live with!
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Ok, 1 reason why everyone is for Bush, is that Gore convinced Clinton to open the war reserves which gave us more supply of the oil needed, but htat in turn caused the Eats to slow down production, which inturn drives the gas prices back up....Gore wants everyone to go to electrical cars! and Just forget about your Blazers..he wants to pass a law so you have to turn in all older vehicles! SO think about it!

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Ms. Rocko, there's more! Just last month the price of electricity in Southern California sky-rocketed due to a shortage in it. There were roaming "black outs", meaning that there was so much electricity consumption that the power companies were shuting off power to blocks at a time in order to avoid the whole system to crash. So where are we supposed to charge our electric cars when the power runs out?!!!!
There are several reasons why the tapping of oil reserves is a totally bad idea. First of all, it's NOT enough, second this is not the purpose of the reserve, also it's not going to be ready in time due to the distillation process, also what about the REST of the country? This is an attempt to help the NE, what about us you have no idea what home heating oil is?????
But more importantly this ill-planned action should never have happened clinton/gore for the last 8 years has had NO energy plan what so ever! We need a president that realizes that his job is take care of the nation, NOT chasing interns!!!!!
BTW Are there any Texans out there? What's your opinion of GW's performance as Governor? Thanks....

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In theory Supply and Demand hold true only in an open market. But what you have in a monopoly is a Demand market. In other words, the companies monopolizing the market can charge whatever they want based on demand (which is extremely high in this case), making supply irrelevant.

Percentage-wise, I believe the (near) monopoly would hardly be affected if Bush opened up the US oil industry and plus it wouldn't help out anyone else in the world.

Which brings up another interesting point. It would be awful nice of Bush to help out his buddies down in TX if (hopefully when) he becomes pres.

I'm just arguing with ya for the sake of a discussion, Talldogg, no hard feelings at all.

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I just got Super for $1.63... I will check the same place tomorrow to see if the prices go up for the weekend since I have to fill up my brothers truck for a road trip.

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Panther,
No hard feelings at all. You're exactly right about the oil market, the US is pretty much a puppet. The Arab countries not only control price but supply as well (in reality it's a which came first the chicken or the egg deal) so the truth is we pretty much only have two options, altenative fuels (ya right) or domestic production. I have nothing agaisnt alternative fuel (this doesn't mean I'd get rid of my Chevys) if it were realiable and cost effective. Just last month electric bills here doubled and even tripled, due to SHORTAGE so we'd be back to the same problem.
Considering the domestic production, well you're right about his TX buddies being better off, but the truth is I'd rather have that wealth in the hands of Texans than Arabs!!! You're also right about this not having much of an effect on the monopoly, but imagin if it could ISOLATE us from it. It could happen, there's still oil in TX and CA and tons of untapped reserves in Alasaka, not to mention off-shore, plus there are TONS of reserves in Mexico which it would be easy for Bush to strike up deals to allow US oil companies to go into Mexico and tap into. Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I too am concerned for the envirnoment, but I feel that we are smart enough to tap these resources in an environmentaly friendly fashion. The Exxon Valdez wrecked because Captin Joseph Hazelwood was drunk, not because using Alsakan oil is a bad idea.
Fundumentally we have to be real and realize that we as modern humans are destructive by nature. I've never met anyone who was 100% self sustained and didn't creat trash.
November wise I feel Bush would provide better solutions to this issue, at least he would have a plan, not go through 8 years and then in a panic, tap reserves that are intended for emergency consumption. And yes he is from TX, and was involved in the oil business, but so what, it provides him with experience. And just so you know, I've heard the rumor (I can't say it's a fact just yet, but I have heard it from more than one source) that gore's investment portfolio includes $500,000 to $1,000,000 of stock in some oil company. If anyone can prove this either way I'd love to know.

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Cali sucks....sucks my $$$ down the tank....$53.00 a week for Medium at my local Cheveron in Fremont,CA.
 
I'm going for Bush all the way! I feel that he will get the ball rolling on domestic oil production lessening our dependence on other countries, (Re-Tues Debate). As with anything this big, it's not going to happen over night. The clinton/gore administration has set us back to the dark ages on domestic oil production however if we keep the republicans in office, we can improve our domestics reserves thus more 4-wheeling. Crunch time is near, vote for Bush and let's get rid of the democrates.......Det45

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It's $1.31 at one place near me, but if you fill up around NASA area it's upwards of $1.60 for regular.
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Hey tRustyK5, You remeber when gas was 39.9 cents/liter? (1.10 us/gallon) I don't think it will ever go that low again. Why did they double the price of propane? Monstr44 said that diesel is 20 cents US/liter in Russia. Its about 42 cents US/liter here.

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