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Kain

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from the looks of it it has been like this since i put this motor together
the part number doesn't match what they now recommend
you can see on both sides of the head where it deformed
and its them stupid metal sealing rings

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my question is it the gasket that failed why they changed the recommended part, or is it cause of over torque?
 
looks like the gasket was too large for the bore and the sealing rings rolled/squashed into the chamber when the head was torqued down ... can you still see the part number on the old gasket ?
 
1003 fel-pro, it's what they called for
Now I have the Edellbrock ones that it calls for
 
1003 Felpro = 4.166 bore

7310 Felpro = 4.125 bore

Old gasket is .041 larger... probably what caused the issue. I never really have liked those black gaskets, I know when I bolted on my Eddy heads, I laid the gaskets on the block and heads to make sure all the holes lined up, and that the "fire rings" of the gasket didn't overlap the edges of the combustion chambers.

You don't have a 400 block do you ?
If so, you need to make sure the holes are drilled in the heads and gaskets for the two extra coolant passages.

Block sand your head's lightly, clean the deck of the block, prep it with some thinner,or alcohol. Lay out the gaskets like I said above to check all the holes. Clean up all your bolts, run a thread chaser on all the bolt holes in the block, blow them out with air.
Do not use a tap.

I install my gaskets dry... Felpro puts that blue coating on there for a reason...
others will argue and spray all sorts of shit on their gaskets. I chose not to, and have been building engines for many many years.

Set your head's on, and install the bolts using assembly lube under the bolt head, sealant on the bolt threads that live in the water jacket. blind bolt holes use assembly lube on the threads.

Torque in three steps. I do 30,,45,,70 ft lbs.
Edelbrock calls for 65,,but with
permatorque gaskets, I don't retorque,and it's never been an issue.

Use slow even pulls on the torque wrench, and do not stop rotating the bolt before the click. If you do, back off the bolt,, reposition
and do it again. You don't want false readings caused by trying to overcome the friction once you've stopped.

I'm not preaching...just teaching here...you may know all of this stuff already, but I would hate to see you go through all of this again, and have another failure.

Good luck !
 
Thanks man, I just took of other side and it did same thing but still sealed.
Froze my ass off doing it got cold fast.

I was going to clean the block and head and use the 7310 and all the stuff you suggested
 
No different hole 3 intake the part the pushrods sits in the cup came out
Look like the little spring that keeps lifter together came out will take pic later and post
 
Had three of those retainer clips come out on my 454...made the decision to put a new cam in a bunch easier :rotfl:
 
I found a few of those spring clips from the lifters and one push rod "cup" stuck to the sludge in the bottom of the oil pan when I pulled the 400 out of my '69 GTO years ago,on a friday night --it was huffing blow by out of the breather BAD and I couldn't drive it 70 miles to work & back that way..
Found one piston had broken rings,only 30 psi compression in that cylinder--I had to pull the engine out,take the rod & piston out,replaced the rings only on that one piston--it had excellent compression in the other 7 cylinders,no damage to the one with broken rings,no ridge,so I put it all back together and had it ready to drive to work monday morning!..

I decided to replace all 16 lifters too,after seeing some had "pumped up" too high and stuck that way..hated to put new lifters on an old cam,but all the lobes were still fine,and it didn't give me any grief in the remaining years I drove it..ran just as nice as it did when I first got it..if it was a Chevy,the cam would have lost a lot of lobes right away I bet!..
 
It looks to me like a small piece of foreign material was on the head gasket/deck surface, and when the head was torqued down it was smashed against the head gasket...thus damaging it.
 
Wasted wages this is what I meant
The other side head gaskets rolled a little on one and a lot on the other but wasn't leaking

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yup,, looks like the clip came out, and the cup came loose when you took the pushrod out...

that gasket looks strange...almost like it was crushed or pushed in towards the cylinder somehow..
Any chance the engine froze? did you have good antifreeze in it ?
ice can do some amazing things..
 
Na it was running and always keep 50/50 mix in it.
And ran well to just had water on #1 plug
Started checking leakdown test was like blowing bubbles in chocolate milk when you were a kid through the radiator and the breather.

Thanks for your reply's
 
no problem, anytime.. feel free to pm me if you have any questions..

keep posting pics of your progress if you can...I'd like to see how this all works out for you..
 
Your heads are properly doweled right?

Saw a guy that couldn't keep head gaskets in and come to find out that the head dowels were missing. Heat cycling and time caused the gaskets to give up without the head being properly located.
 
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