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Howell TBI Installation

You guys have me wondering about that temp sensor wiring issue. I recently installed a california smog legal howell tbi kit on a friend's jeep and he has been having some issues lately that I haven't been able to pinpoint.
I have to say though I was way happier with my overall package and instructions from affordable fuel injection than his howell kit but they don't make a smog legal kit like howell does.
 
Sorta Final Impressions

Feeling much better and most of the burns are healed up enough to get back to work.

The failure:

After looking at what happened the hose clamp failed allowing the hose to blow off. The hose has a universal type of end on it with different rubber "bushings" to make it the right size. To fix it I got a piece of hose the right size and used some good "Ideal" brand clamps. Man coolant is expensive and a pain to clean off the walls and ceiling!

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Can't tell exactly but the screw just stripped and the clamp loosened up

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The hose where it hit the fender and chipped the paint.

First impressions:

Its much easier to drive, idles fair and starts on the first crank with just a turn of the key. All the surging at cruising speed is gone and it smells 100% better. Initially it set some codes for multiple sensors so after a tech call they suggested I double up the ground from the engine to the cab and that fixed the codes.

What's not good:

It will not idle with AC on. The idle hunts all over the place and eventually dies. I did hook up the AC request signal circuit and can read the AC request on the scan tool so this is just a programming issue. I called Howell and they said it may require a chip update but to drive it a few weeks and it might self-learn. We will see, I'm thinking it needs a chip.

Not peppy at all from a start. It feels like it must "spool up" to get going. It was never a rocket from the line but this is really pathetic. Discussed this with Howell also and they gave the same answer, so we will wait and see.

To answer some questions:

Yes they did build me a chip for my combination and to my camshaft spec. I had originally built this to be a TPI motor so I had chosen a cam profile that they had recommended. Still it idles much worse than I had hoped for such a small cam.

I paid just under $1600.00 the set up. That included the distributor and coil as well as fuel pump and heated O2 sensor kit. Its true that you can definitely piece on together for a lot less and maybe free, but I had two days and this is now my daily driver so I wanted as few problems as possible. I also had some prior experience with them and was very impressed. Definitely more impressed then than I am now. They seem very jaded and grouchy, maybe its that sucky Michigan economy got them down, but they were not fun to deal with.

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Glad your recovering from the burns! That was just a sucky situation...

Even though the AC has a request signal there is not much done about it in the chip. A V8 engine at idle is not much effected, now smaller engine have some big differences to compensate for AC on.

With a cam change you loose some idle quality and the V8 umph! This can all be dealt with in the tune/chip. Idle quality is the hardest part of a cam tune.

Waiting for BLM learn is just a patch to the tune being off. Mine will run as good with or without an O2 sensor, which is where the BLM learn comes from.

For now, since you have a scan tool... warm up engine and go for a short drive and stop in gear, watch IAC counts, then park and watch IAC counts. In drive should be under 20 and park as long as you have a few... 5 your good! If it's higher then this turn the throttle stop screw also known as Min Air Screw, in 1/4 turn when engine is off. Restart do a drive and recheck.

This allows more air to pass throttle blades and mix with the fuel which is above throttle plates. But still gives IAC some control for idle RPM. Idle RPM is set in bin, this srcew will not set idle...

If you want some detailed evaluation of the tune get a data log file with TunerPro. Need a laptop and cable, all other is free to use.
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302680
 
Eagle Mark - great info thanks for the help! I really don't expect to get the help I need from Howell but they may surprise me. Do you offer a tune service or could you recommend someone?

Truck of the Month- it's a very mild engine. It is a .040 over 305 with flat top pistons and mild port work on the factory cast heads. I have a summit 1103 cam with Edelbrock intake and long tube headers.
 
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Eagle Mark - great info thanks for the help! I really don't expect to get the help I need from Howell but they may surprise me. Do you offer a tune service or could you recommend someone?
Jeremiah 29:11 I have a plan for you says the Lord. Not to harm you but for you to prosper. :D

That's not a hard cam to tune. If they can't get you happy then give me a PM.
 
Definitely more impressed then than I am now. They seem very jaded and grouchy, maybe its that sucky Michigan economy got them down, but they were not fun to deal with.

That's the same feeling my friend and I have after dealing with them a lot lately. They REALLY don't want to help unless it's basic over the phone tech questions.
 
Jeremiah 29:11 I have a plan for you says the Lord. Not to harm you but for you to prosper. :D

That's not a hard cam to tune. If they can't get you happy then give me a PM.


lol...you rawk!
 
It's gotten worse

Well I have driven it about 10 days and it has progressed in the wrong direction. It seems to have gotten much worse instead of learning what was needed and self tuning. Its gotten where it will not idle when cold at ALL and the idle is so weak that at times even the slightest change in load will cause it to die. Like if the cooling fans come on and the electrical load changes it will almost always die not a chance that it will ever idle with the AC.

I called in on the 22nd and Tech Support was at lunch, unfortunately I had to work that afternoon and couldn't call back

I called on the 24th and it just rang and rang so I guess they are closed on Saturdays.

I called just now (26th) and was told the tech guy was on break please call back in 15 minutes.

I definitely will because last night while on a pizza run (with my wife, three kids and dog) it backfired, lost power and died and will not restart. Sure makes my wife happy that I have spent $1800 and its completely not reliable. I have spark and fuel pressure but no injector pulse from either injector. I had driven it earlier on an errand that was across town and noticed it surging at highway speed and running a little hotter than usual. At this point I could not recommend Howell to anyone.

OH YEAH it has now cooked my nice headers and caused the ceramic coating to discolor which didn't ever happen with the carb during the 450 miles I drove it and has caused a $105.00 tow bill.
 
If you want some detailed evaluation of the tune get a data log file with TunerPro. Need a laptop and cable, all other is free to use.
http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302680
That advice will never change!

Eagle Mark - great info thanks for the help! I really don't expect to get the help I need from Howell but they may surprise me. Do you offer a tune service or could you recommend someone?
Probably why I get so many to tune after the sale? Which leads to quote below...

Jeremiah 29:11 I have a plan for you says the Lord. Not to harm you but for you to prosper. :D

That's not a hard cam to tune. If they can't get you happy then give me a PM.

Hard to say what is actually wrong but it's obvious it got worse so the tune was not close. But it should not get worse with out a mechanical issue being involved.

That aside, you have spark and fuel pressure so first thing I would look at is power to injectors/fuse?
 
I may have caused it

OK after the check the purple reference wire at the distributor (circuit 430) was backed out of the connector. I could have caused it or it may have been that way from the get-go. Either way it now runs at least like before. I moved the harness to ensure it was not in a bind and it hangs loose.

Eagle Mark- I will order the cable today. I will PM you and lets get a chip going. I'm done messing with the novices! And I need to look at least a little competent to my wife before she rides with me again.

And at this point I am even willing to change cams to get the result I want but I think this cam is still a good choice for my setup but obviously I'm not an expert.
 
So your running again?

There's absolutely no reason to change the cam!

What is fuel pressure? What size injectors? I'd have to do some math and calculations but you are going to need more then stock pressure with 5.0L injectors.
 
Yes is it up and running again.

Not sure how I ID the injectors for sure. They are supposed to be 350 matched injectors but...who knows.

The pressure is between 10 and 11 psi by my gauge.
 
Make sure TBI bolts do not extend past adapter hitting intake and cause vacuum leak.

Do double check for vacuum leaks everywhere especially here! Use a propane torch like used for soldering copper pipe... at idle you can spray it down TBI and see idle increase. Brake clean and carb clean and even starter fluid does not work anymore, chemical components have changed over the years.
 

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