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hydro assist didnt help :/

When I bought all my stuff last month the guys at PSC said anything over 1.75"would not work right with a factory box, because it cann't push enough fluid to run right. Not enough fluid flow to push the ram, your steering would actually drag the ram.
 
When I bought all my stuff last month the guys at PSC said anything over 1.75"would not work right with a factory box, because it cann't push enough fluid to run right. Not enough fluid flow to push the ram, your steering would actually drag the ram.
Yes, but where they speaking of high steer or regular crossover?
There's a big difference in throw.
 
Yes, but where they speaking of high steer or regular crossover?
There's a big difference in throw.

Could have been just the regular crossover, that is the set up I got. But their quote to me was that box cann't flow enough fluid for a ram that big. My buddy has some bigger rams and was going to give me one, but they said it would not work right.
 
Could have been just the regular crossover, that is the set up I got. But their quote to me was that box cann't flow enough fluid for a ram that big. My buddy has some bigger rams and was going to give me one, but they said it would not work right.

Ok, then they where probably refering to just regular crossover.
With high-steer you can have a ram with twice the cross sectional area,
but because of the shorter stroke the oil volume needed from lock to lock steering is the same.
 
so i just finished the pump mod,i drilled it out to a 3/16 bit,did the notches like i saw in the link and also stretched the spring to 2.5" it helped a little,kind of what i expected.i can turn sitting still if i use some muscle and rev it to 2000 or higher. which is an improvement over not being able to turn at all. do you guys think the smaller 3/4" ram would be a smart idea? thanks for all the help btw!
 
and im wondering about a smaller ram not because of strength (i no a 3/4 ram will be weaker than the 1") but the ability for my OEM steering pump and box to flow and fill up the ram to use it at its fullest potential. i feel like my pump and box cant keep up with my 1x1.5x8 ram
 
Honestly, you seem to be stuck on the idea that the ram is causing the issue. I really think you have something else wrong with the system.
 
Shaun, I think you are looking at this wrong. If there is no air in the system, and for this discussion I'm assuming there is not, then the ram does not have to "fill up". Its already full.
Any fluid movement will result in ram movement.

If the ram does not get enough flow, it will lag behind the regular steering parts. But, it will move.

When you turn the steering box against a load and the spool valve moves, the fluid will be sent to the normal actuator and the ram.
If the fluid flow is insufficient, then things will move slowly, but if the fluid is moving, they will move.

In other words, you should be able to turn the wheel until it has pressure on it, hold it there and the wheels will slowly turn.
If they do not, then the fluid is not flowing. There is no "slop" in a full hydraulic system. Hydraulic fluid is non-compressable. When you push down on a bottle jack handle, the ram will move the same amount no matter what. If the load is too much, the bypass valve will open and the fluid will no go to the ram.

I'm pretty sure this is what is happening to you. The pump is not putting out enough pressure for your system to work.
Either the bypass valve is weak or set wrong, or your ram is too small. When you turn the wheel, the pressure gets sent to the ram but before it can move the bypass opens and the fluid pressure stalls at that point.
Which is not enough to move the wheels.

Given you were having this problem before you went assist, I suspect you have a pump problem.
If you have access to a hydraulic shop, they could probably put some gauges on to see what your pump it putting out.
Failing that, maybe you could try a junkyard pump to see if it makes a difference.
Otherwise, I would look into a new pump.

Remember, with any pump you often trade pressure for volume. Make sure any pump you buy will put out at least stock pressure. If you can get more flow too, thats fine.
But pressure is what you want now.

If you have access to a bigger ram, try it if its cheap.

If you want to test my theory, see if you can loosen the attachment of the ram to the steering.
Not enough to break anything, just enough to see some movement.
Watch the ram while someone turns the steering.
I think you will see the ram shoot to the end of the free play almost instantly and then stall.
That means that it is getting plenty of flow, but the pressure is not there.
 
so i just finished the pump mod,i drilled it out to a 3/16 bit,did the notches like i saw in the link and also stretched the spring to 2.5" it helped a little,kind of what i expected.i can turn sitting still if i use some muscle and rev it to 2000 or higher. which is an improvement over not being able to turn at all. do you guys think the smaller 3/4" ram would be a smart idea? thanks for all the help btw!

I went through all of that, modding the pump to make the assist work better. Never quite got the results I wanted so I got a new pump and put my modified valve assembly in there and immediately blew the seals out of the steering box!

Went back to an unmodified new pump and it's better than it ever was.

As many others have mentioned, I really bet you just need a new pump.
 
Yeah, rule of thumb with hydraulics, if it doesn't move you need more pressure or a bigger ram.
If it moves slowly you need more flow.
 
o ok,thanks for the explanations,i think i get it now,i thought i needed more volume,but more pressure seems to be the answer. i think ill save up for a new pump. thanks for the help guys! sometimes im a little off with things i havent delt with before:whistle:
 
so i just got done replacing my pump,i replaced it with a hydro-boost one,because ive heard it builds pressure faster because of what it is used for (boosting brakes) i just blocked off one of the return hoses. i didnt mod this one to play it safe with the seals,and it works great!! lock to lock at idle! i guess the x-over steering showed the old pump was on its way out. i never noticed anything with my old push/pull steering. sorry for driving u guys nuts on this one. thanks for all the help!
 
my brakes are ok,so ill stick with whats been working :waytogo: i could use a larger bore master cylinder (like one from a '99 c3500 w/rear disc) but that will be farther down the road.
 
once you go hydro boost brake you will go why didnt i do it before.

and next time listen to use when we lead you to the answer you are searching for. :whistle: drink dam it :haha:

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