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I just found yet more Moab carnage

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I thought I got away with 2 small dents on the tailgate, 2 small creases above each rear wheel, one slightly bent swing away carrier, one small scratch on door and one bent front spring.
Nope, I just realized that I now have a crack in the frame by the steering box (I also have an ORD frame brace installed) and my t-case mount is broken somewhere. Damn!!

Steve

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Ya know, thats why I like it here in Kansas with no rocks. That is violent man.

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well I'd try to feel sorry for you, but I'd probaly feel a bit differently if I GOT to goto Moab this year...
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maybe next year I'll feel a little worse...
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if I get to goto Moad that is!
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<font color=blue> Jeff </font color=blue>
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Jeff, don't feel sorry for me, I had the best time ever!!!!
You got to pay to play.

Steve

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naw I'm just given ya a hard time. I'm glad you had fun, but man I gotta feel a little pity for somebody that has frame damage!
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<font color=blue> Jeff </font color=blue>
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Looks like I need to calll ORD in the morning and have Stephen send me a weld in frame brace, always something.

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Well eventually you will fix all the weak links. Like you said you got to pay to play.

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there was somebody else here that posted (I thought this week) they had frame problems, and were also using the ORD brace...

I'm wondering if maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to do some other reinforcing with the brace if the rig is used for a lot of hardcore stuff.

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I believe it was 'kpanza'. He also had the brace and had the frame cracks. So can you weld in the patch plate and then install the cross brace? Would that make it stronger and less chance of cracking down the road even if the frame isnt even cracked yet?
 
Yikes, this is getting scary! Too many frame cracks WITH brace-equipped rigs.

Sounds like a good idea to put the stitch-weld in plate along with the ORD brace.

Steve, you must have had wayyyyyyyyyyy too much fun
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Well, its like Ryan ('73 K5) said, its flat here in Kansas, and you could always move here to prevent some cracks!!!
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BTW, we can still find some things around here to flex on and still crack some frames too. Just have to get out there and EXPLORE!!!
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how do u fix a cracked frame?

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The only trip I never broke something on my truck was the one to Oregon...there I was feeling pretty pleased with myself and my truck, I'm on my way home and that was when I got hit by the drunk! DOH!
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Mostly its small stuff, broken T-case adaptor, grenaded u-joints, busted tail-lights, new dents...
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I've never had so much fun breaking stuff...and the first thing my wife asks when I get home is "What broke?"

Is it possible that running the Rock Ram may be a big contributor to frame cracks in braced rigs? All that extra force generated has to 'abuse' something...it would seem to be shifting the weak link back to the frame area.

I'm planning on Moab next year for EJS...I'm sure I'll have my carnage stories too.

Rene

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RockRam GOOD- Very GOOD. It eliminates ALL stress from the frame and steering componets. It's hydraulic and mounted right on the axle so ALL power and stress is applied directly to the wheels turning (steering). I have heard that you can turn a wheel against a rock and the entire truck will push to the side. It also allows full steering left and right no matter what position the axles are in. The draw back is there is no returnability of the steering wheel.

Stuck is a state of mind!

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I'm pretty sure that in Shawns review of the Rock Ram on ORC, he says it does have return to center feel like standard setups. cause the Rock Ram is like hydraulic assist, not full hydraulic steering. there is still a mechanical link to the steering box through the drag link, etc... which keeps the return feel. Shawn? (or anyone with the rockram system) some actual first hand input would be cool........

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In the Sunday Atlanta Journal Constitution I read a vent that some wheeler sent in that just seems apropriate at this point.
"Stump Jumpers depend on their instinct, Mud runners depend upon their truck"
Now I read into that Mud running is just point it and floor it and hope for the best. Stump/Rock crawling takes a lot more driver finess to drive through a trail that most poeple won't walk.
Me...I'd rather be fixing a broken suspension part after running something REAL hard then filling in holes in my yard with the mud it takes me 4 hours to clean off my truck.
Now I don't have any problem with mud trucks but I'm still hurting from Tellico (should be fixed this week...was the last straw for a 300k NP203 chain). But I had a darn good time wearing out that chain.
See ya at Tellico.


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Well, I finally got the rock ram fixed and installed again. I hate installing this thing!!

Anyhow, I do get return steering. I wouldn't say it's like stock steering with stock tires. that's actually better in my opinion.
But with the AGR rock ram and crossover steering set up, it's close with bigger meats. Turn is smooth. It turns no matter what. I was told there was suppose to be no struggle when turning the wheel even if I was turning into something solid, but I do struggle (I tested it next to a building...moved the truck, but struggled). Also, it doesn't react as quick on quick turns (like in a parking lot or something similar).

But anyhow, Rene, Like the other guy said, the stress is not exterted on the box and frame as much. It's now moved to the Rod mounts (which is most likely on the axle and on the tierod.) b/c the ram helps push so it takes some of the stress off the frame. So get some beefy tierods (ie, rock rod). I would still personally put an ORD brace or something similar (which I did :)

Steve, looks like you need a rock ram now :) I personally wouldn't get it through AGR though, they suck!! You can have it made (complete kit) for like $420 total else where.
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Steve, I run both braces. My frame cracked before the cross brace was available, I put on the weld on brace. I noticed it was still flexing, then I bought the one you have. I think the ORD one is good for stiffening up the area, but does not take the place of the weld on brace in terms of crack prevention.

I'm assuming you have a welder to put on that brace. If not, give me a call.

Pete

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For really hairy use, we do recommend using both the weld in kit and the bolt in kit. I just didn't consider 37's on Steve's daily driver really hairy use, but it sounds like he's getting there!
I'm pretty thrilled with my Rock Ram. It turns the 42's no matter what. Aired down, wedged against a wall, doesn't matter, it turns them. And it does put less stress on the frame like others have said.
I have a little bit of "fight" in really hard steering maneuvers, but not bad. I'll put up with it for the gains in every other area.


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Man, sounds like you were pushin it!! :) GET IT AWN!!!!!!!

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