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Infamous Fuel Guage Issue - Where shoud ground go? 91 Jimmy

flyloki

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'91 Jimmy

My fuel guage is reading way past full and not moving. Searched all threads here and trying to isolate issue. Pulled weather head connector hooked up lead to guage and ground and with variable resistance tester box fuel guage reads accurately and sweeps from F to E no problem.

So now I'm trying to test the sender. How is best way to test to see if it is reading correctly with multimeter? One lead on the ground at the sender and one on the weather head connector to sender? Not much clearance in there and hard to reach it.

Also the fuel sender ground appears to run straight towards front of truck and then down between skid plate/shield. Shouldn't it go straight to the frame? Is this ground shared with the fuel pump?

Thanks in advance,

JB
 
General Motors 0-90 Ohm Gauge Diagnosis Procedure
Especially as cars age, it is often somewhat difficult to pinpoint the root cause of instrument cluster gauge failure, thanks to questionable wiring, normal wear and tear, and sometimes even incorrect diagnosis procedures. The following diagnosis procedure is the method that GM publishes in it's shop manuals, will work on oil pressure, temperature, and fuel gauges, and should apply to all but the most recent GM-made vehicles with computerized gauges.
Before You Begin
You will need either Kent-Moore tool J-24538-A, if available, or tool JG-GM-1, a homemade GM gauge testing jumper. To build tool JG-GM-1, you will need the following materials:
  • 1 Jumper wire with alligator clips (about $2 US from Wal-Mart)
  • 1 220 ohm, 1/2W resistor (Radio Shack #271-1109, pack of 5, $0.99)
  • 1 150 ohm, 1/2W resistor (Radio Shack #271-1111, pack of 5, $0.99)
  • about 1" of 1/4" heat-shrink tubing, or vinyl electrical tape
Construct the jumper as follows:
  1. Cut the jumper wire in half, and strip about 1/8" of the insulation off of the cut end of each wire. Tin the bare wires using a soldering iron.
  2. Take both resistors and twist their leads together on each end, so that the resistors are joined in parallel. Twist the leads tightly, cut off the excess, and tin the twisted leads. If using heat-shrink tubing, make sure that the resistor assembly is about half the length of the tubing, or less.
  3. If using heat-shrink tubing, slip the tubing over one of the jumper wire halves.
  4. Solder each half of the jumper wire onto the opposite ends of the resistor assembly.
  5. If using heat-shrink tubing, slide the tubing over the resistors and solder joints and shrink using a low-temperature flame or hair dryer. If using electrical tape, tightly wrap the tape around the resistors and solder joints, ensuring that the solder joints are completely covered.
Diagnosis Procedure
  1. Disconnect wire from sending unit, and connect tool JG-GM-1 from the wire connector to ground.
  2. Turn ignition ON.
  3. If the gauge being tested reads at the high end of the scale (i.e. full for gas, 60psi for oil, etc.), the sending unit is at fault and must be replaced. Retest after sending unit replacement.
    Else, go to step 4.
  4. If the gauge responds, but not accurately, go to step 5.
    If the gauge does not respond at all, go to step 7.
  5. Disconnect engine harness connector at firewall bulkhead. Connect tool JG-GM-1 from ground to bulkhead connector lead that goes to gauge. If the gauge now responds accurately, check the wiring between the sending unit connector and the engine harness connector, repair any faults, and retest.
    Else, reconnect the engine harness connector, and go to step 6.
  6. Remove the gauge from the instrument cluster and check the speed nuts holding the ceramic shunt across two terminals on the back. If they are loose, tighten them and retest gauge; if tight, the gauge is at fault and must be repaired or replaced.
    NOTE:You might be able to repair the gauge with a kit from
    Fix-A-Gauge, and/or you might be able to manually reposition the needle where applicable. Retest after repair.
  7. Remove the instrument cluster and check for bad connections at the gauge terminal clips, instrument cluster connector, and both the instrument cluster and sending unit ground. If the connections are good, inspect the wiring from instrument panel to firewall harness connector, and repair any faults if found; if bad, repair the connections, reinstall gauge, and retest. If the connections and wiring are both good, the gauge is at fault and must be replaced.
    NOTE:A gauge diagnosed as bad through this step most likely can not be repaired.




 
and another

GM GAS GAUGE DIAGNOSIS


By RANDY RUNDLE

Most gas tank units consist of two parts, the gauge mounted in the dash and a tank sender mounted in the tank.
The following trouble-shooting instructions apply to the AC-type fuel gauge, which is one of the most common type of units. Your service manual will give you any added instructions necessary for your specific type of fuel gauge.
The gas gauge, often located in the instrument cluster, consists of two small coils spaced 90 degrees apart with an armature and a needle placed at the intersection of the two coils. A dampener is also located on the armature to prevent excessive needle movement on rough roads.
The tank sender unit is mounted to the outside of the gas tank (with a float on the inside, of course) and is made up of a metal housing that contains a rheostat (which is simply a resistance unit), and a brush that comes in contact with the resistance unit. The opposite end of brush unit is attached to the float arm located inside of the gas tank. The movement of the float arm is controlled by the amount of fuel in the gas tank. The variations in the amount of fuel in the tank cause the arm to move. This changes the resistance of the tank unit, changing the amount of current at the gauge unit coils, which in turn moves the needle located between the coils.
Beginning around 1950, some vehicles have a small voltage regulator behind the dash that supplies a stable voltage supply for the instruments - something less than the battery voltage of six (or 12) volts. This isolates the instruments from the effects of varying battery and generator voltage. So if you are checking voltage at the dash gauges on these cars and you read something less than battery voltage, it may be normal. Follow the power wires from the instruments and you'll probably find the regulator.
The most common cause of gas gauge trouble is a poor ground, especially at the tank sender unit. It is important that all wiring connections are clean and tight, and free of dirt and corrosion. A poor ground or loose connection to a gas gauge is just as likely to cause problems as loose or dirty battery cables assuredly will with your starting system.
For example, if the gas gauge needle remains on empty when the ignition key is turned to the "on" position and you are sure the gas tank is partially full, battery current may not be reaching the gauge. To check further, connect a jumper wire between the ignition switch and the dash gauge. If the gauge now works, replace the defective wiring between the gauge and the ignition switch.
If the gauge needle remains stuck in one place, try turning the ignition switch off and on several times in succession. This will allow you to determine if it is the dash gauge or the tank sending unit that is defective. If turning the ignition switch off and on (a half-dozen times is a good test) does not seem to help, and you've verified that the dash gauge is receiving power, try the following troubleshooting steps:
A functioning sending unit will have a high resistance when the tank is full and a low resistance when the tank is empty. If the gauge reads higher than it should, make sure the wire attached to the electrical terminal on the tank sending unit is making a good ground connection. If necessary, clean the connection and reinstall the wire to the terminal, then check the gauge operation. If that didn't fix the problem, use a jumper wire to ground the electrical terminal on the tank sending unit to the tank unit housing (leave the wire to the gauge connected to the tank unit). Turn the ignition switch on. If the gauge reads empty or below empty, the sending unit is defective.
If the gauge still reads high, try grounding the tank unit electrical terminal to a clean portion of the frame. If this brings the gauge to empty or below, the tank unit is OK, but there is a bad ground between the gas tank and the body or chassis (or less likely, between the tank unit and the gas tank). Either way, find and correct the bad connection or merely run a permanent jumper wire from the frame to one of the screws holding the tank sending unit to the tank.
If the gauge still reads incorrectly, the wire from the tank unit to the gauge may be faulty. Check by using a jumper wire to ground the tank unit terminal on the gauge (the one not connected to the ignition). If the gauge now reads empty or below, the problem is in the wire leading to the tank (or its connection to the gauge). If grounding the tank terminal still doesn't cause the gauge reading to drop to empty or below, the gauge is faulty.
When the gauge reads lower than it should, check at the gauge by disconnecting the wiring from the tank unit. Turn the ignition on and if the needle reads full or above, the gauge unit is probably good and the tank unit or the wiring leading to it are probably the problem. Reconnect the tank unit wire to the gauge before proceeding.
The next trouble-shooting task begins by disconnecting the wire to the tank sending unit. If the gauge still reads full, there is likely a short to ground somewhere between the sending unit and the gauge. Look for worn insulation allowing the wire to contact the body or frame. If the gauge reads full or above with the wire disconnected, the problem is in the tank unit rather than the wiring. It could be an electrical fault, or the float may be stuck or may have sunk because of a hole caused by corrosion. Remove the tank sending unit and check it. If the float is bad, you'll likely hear gas sloshing around in it or see gas dripping out. If the float is OK and the float arm seems to be swinging freely through its full range, replace the tank unit.
Ground the gas tank terminal post of the tank sending unit using a jumper wire. If the dash gauge now reeds empty, the gas tank unit is defective. If the dash gauge needle fails t move, the dash gauge is defective.
If the gas gauge works, but reads lower than it should, check for defective wiring between the gas gauge and the tank sending unit. Also check for a poor ground at dash gauge and the sending unit by using a jumper wire. If the dash gauge reads empty when the tank is actually half full or greater, the wiring between the dash gauge and the tank sending unit is defective. Disconnect the wire at the gas tank sending unit terminal. If the gas gauge reads still reads empty, the dash gauge unit is defective.


 
Man this is awesome. I love this site! I just replaced my sending unit on my 91 and the fuel gauge is now stuck between empty and quarter tank no matter the amount in the tank.

When I drop the tank and tank the sending unit out and plug it in and manually move the arm the gauge works great. But when I put it back in the tank and put the tank back up it is just stuck in that position again. It just doesn't make sense.

With this trouble shooting steps I'll go through them and see if I can't figure out what the heck is going on with this brand new sending unit I bought. The old one worked fine before I took it out, it just had a frayed fuel pump wire so I figured I would just buy a new sending unit. Boy is this turning into a gremlin hunt now!!!
 
the ground wire should come off of the sending unit (top of the tank) and connect to the frame, drivers side, right near the tank (yes its the same ground for the pump and for the sender, so if the pump works the sender is shot). 100 bucks says its your sending unit. Since those things arent cheap, ensure the plastic baffle in the bottom of your tank isnt busted loose. If that things banging around in the bottom of the tank itll kill and new sending unit that you put in there. If you have to go tank shopping spring from the new one from rock auto. its got a welded steel baffle, no break-ey. anyway, good luck. I ended up dropping my tank 3 times to fix that piece of crap (1 to check it, 2 to install new sender and find out the baffle was broke, and 3 to install new sender and new tank) And since i know ill get $#it for doing it 3 times, its because im stubborn and i kept wheeling in between attempts, no use letting a gas gauge keep you off the trail.
 
I am having them ship a new unit to replace in the other one. I dropped the tank several times. Then did the trouble shooting. Seems to be the sending unit from the trouble shooting. I really hate dropping that damn tank. But, I'm getting faster and faster doing it!
 

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