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LED headlights: worth the cost?


Doing something like that never turns out right. The bulb length changes, thus throwing off the geometry between bulb and reflector, harming the focus. I have a set of cheap H4 conversion lenses for the blazer, put some H4 HID bulbs in and it was garbage. Light everywhere, no hot spot etc.
 
(BTW, hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread somewhat. I just get excited about lighting :rolleyes:)

Can I just say, jeebus. That's a metric ass-ton of electrical crap! My poor little five-spot fuse panel and relay row is looking all feeble and lonely :haha:

When you say airbags, you talking about helper springs? Why do they need electrical, a valve or something?

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Nope, I don't mind the hijack. Yes, Air Lift air bags, I think 5k lbs rated. They have onboard air and solenoids to automatically keep the pressure where I set the controller and to fill or dump them. I also have a second compressor for the old Rancho 9000 shocks that I had on the truck before. The air replaced the finger adjustment at the shock. Yes, I didn't want to crawl under to change the settings or fill air bags.

I use the truck to pull a 9k pound toy hauler with a 1180 pound tongue weight. The truck was always loaded with my tools and any supplies I had, plus additional building materials for work, so at times I wanted to give the 33" tires a bit of breathing room under the rear fenders and change the ride, as well as adjusting for towing.

I have a relay for the 4 extra backup lights on the truck as well. I hated not being able to see what I was doing in the dark. Two of the lights shinned at the back of the tires, from under the trailer hitch mount, and made it easy to back up parallel to a curb. One relay was triggered by the ignition and would use the second battery to power the stereo, which meant the stereo never killed the cranking battery.

Yes, there is 10 pounds of **** in a 5 pound box, but at least it isn't under the dash anymore. I added a lot of creature comforts to the truck.

I drove my truck tonight with the Hella conversion lights. I am not sure if they are aimed quite right, but I didn't get flashed and I could see much better. Now, the headlights don't draw down the power from my original fuse panel like they did before. I didn't run the fan on the heater/ac to see if it would cause the lights to dim. It would in the past.

The battery isolator knocks my alternator output to the batteries down to 13.7 volts. It is higher before the isolator. Powermaster said this is normal. With the headlights now drawing power from the second battery, they should have little effect on the rest of the wiring in the truck. An added benefit, leaving the headlights on would drain the second batter, but the running lights would still drain the first. I don't forget anymore...........I got that out of the way when I first started driving this truck.

The LED's look great, but the Hella kit was worth while, especially considering I was just going to go to the auto store and get silverstars. I didn't realize a good upgrade was available for these trucks.

LED lights rock. I used an LED personal headlight to finish up the soldering and wiring on my truck, in the dark. A member on the castboolit forum orders parts made and assembles his own led flashlights. He uses common manufacturers, but the electronics are to his spec. The handheld lights have a brand name on the housing, because he buys from they and doesn't order enough to get his own label. Everyone on that forum raves about the output and quality of his stuff. He seems to be able to weed the good parts out of all that is available now. I didn't think his headlight would have good enough light to work in total darkness doing detailed work, but it blew me away, as I just kept on working. His $10 mini light that used a single AA battery blows away my 3d mag lite led conversion. The headlight and handheld light I ordered, use 18650 rechargeable batteries. He said the first batch of chargers sent to him didn't cut off at 4.2 volts like they should, so he had them changed out. It makes sense that there are some great parts out there, but many bad ones as well.
 
On my bench supply at 12.0 volts, the LED takes 1.6A on low and 3.2A on high....Anyway, the LED then uses 19 watts for the low and 38 for the high.

The halogen, on the other hand, takes 2.6A for the low side, 4.0A for the high, making 6.6A for the both if you have the relays done that way. That's 31, 48 and 79 watts respectively.

Now, with the engine running at idle I was actually getting about 14.3V versus the 12.7 with the engine off, so the power usages would be correspondingly higher on the truck. The LED takes less power no matter how you slice it.

Anyway, the point of all of this is that, as others have posted, you don't really need #10 wires for your headlights. Heck, you could use #16 or #18 and be fine, especially if you were using LED's. They take half the power and put out what seems to my eye like more light.


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Any good LED assembly will have a current regulator built in, so it won't matter if you give them 12V, 13V, 14V. So for LED you might as well use the stock wiring. It's the same for most HIDs - the ballast does the voltage conversion with a decent range of input voltage. If you find LED assemblies that just put LEDs in series and depend on the input voltage being stable you probably don't want them. They probably won't last very long. With halogen bulbs the power output varies a lot with input voltage.


Do any of these LEDs have a replaceable lens? Most cars need new capsules every several years due to chips, hazing, yellowing. It would suck to only get 1/4 of the rated life from the solid state light because you broke the lens or it just got too dingy.
 
Any good LED assembly will have a current regulator built in, so it won't matter if you give them 12V, 13V, 14V. So for LED you might as well use the stock wiring. It's the same for most HIDs - the ballast does the voltage conversion with a decent range of input voltage. If you find LED assemblies that just put LEDs in series and depend on the input voltage being stable you probably don't want them. They probably won't last very long. With halogen bulbs the power output varies a lot with input voltage.

I was thinking about this, but I think really corroded wiring/connectors would still foul things up. Before I rewired mine I was seeing like 9 or 10V at the lights, so even the best lights would suck with that (lack of) of drive :doah: (Admittedly that's with the higher current drain of halogen, but it's still bad.)

Do any of these LEDs have a replaceable lens? Most cars need new capsules every several years due to chips, hazing, yellowing. It would suck to only get 1/4 of the rated life from the solid state light because you broke the lens or it just got too dingy.

tRusty or somebody brought up a good point about the protective film. These GE's are essentially a sealed beam, so I ordered some of that 3M-type rock film, see how that protects them.

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The battery isolator knocks my alternator output to the batteries down to 13.7 volts. It is higher before the isolator. Powermaster said this is normal.

That would be your basic voltage drop across a diode junction, so yeah, all normal. Depends on what the isolator is made of, but should be something like 3/4 volt difference.

As for the other stuff, you have indeed had fun with it. I had good backup lights on my old tow rig, miss those sometimes. Maybe once I find some good LED ones I'll do those on my new Ford... dammit, CK5, you guys are enablers! :haha:

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Just got one of these in the mail. The other is at a friends house, since he used the $100 off coupon. Damn this thing seems heavy.

Hey Dr, which colors do what? And if I feed the two hot wires with 12v, is that the high beam or is that a bad idea for this thing?

Can't wait to finish the rest of the truck to try these out on the road LOL
 
Oh yeah, and you've had a least one night to drive around with BOTH these things running. Whats the verdict?
 
Just got one of these in the mail. The other is at a friends house, since he used the $100 off coupon. Damn this thing seems heavy.

Hey Dr, which colors do what? And if I feed the two hot wires with 12v, is that the high beam or is that a bad idea for this thing?

I had them ship both to my address... Amazon didn't mind.

Pinout is marked on the back, but should be

Wht -
Grn Lo
Red Hi

You can, but don't need to, run both hot. That is, if you run the high, both low and high go on anyway.

Oh yeah, and you've had a least one night to drive around with BOTH these things running. Whats the verdict?

Haven't had the chance yet.

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Oh someone was talking about cutoff lines and such before about LEDs.

Here's the cut offs for the Speakers led. I'm probably too close to the building but you can get the idea.

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High

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I got mine local. You can search JW Speaker model 8900. There's a bunch of places online you can find them.

They look like this off. Or you can get them with a black back round I heard.

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Here's in a jeep from the Internet. I didn't get a shot of my service truck with them off. I've got a set of my dually at home too. But they're not installed yet. After I get the engine running I'll worry about the headlight upgrade.
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following this and all but what if you had dual hi/low on each side like 87 did? Buy 4? Could get costly!
 
Oh yeah, and you've had a least one night to drive around with BOTH these things running. Whats the verdict?

Had a chance to drive the old girl around in the dark. Love me those LED's, just about worth the crazy money. The light is white, not yellow, and is directed in front of the truck, not randomly around. I can see farther and more clearly, which I think is kinda the point :deal: My DD's (Nissan and Ford, both 2014) have factory HID's, and these 7" LED's are as good as those.

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