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Lockers
- Thread starter Blazer Ralph
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Exactly
And if it comes to it I do have a 6 lug 9.5" axle available
See below
Meh. Rather have an actual locker than doing some two foot trickery to make a limited slip sorta work.
If snowy conditions are part of the equation, any front diff other than open (or selectable left open) is a problem. I've felt feedback from a front lockright not wanting to unlock on an icy corner when it was not powered, just hubs locked. So, no limited slips. Leave it open or go selectable.
Snow and ice with any locker in the back is manageable by most people but it will have some feedback too and is greatly influenced by weight in the back of the truck. The heavier the better.
Again, even with the 28 spline shafts, it'll show you what a locker is like and if it's driven with a little care you probably won't break it right away. Buy a used one and put it in. You're looking at maybe $150 spent on the experiment if you sell the locker when you're done.
Snow and ice with any locker in the back is manageable by most people but it will have some feedback too and is greatly influenced by weight in the back of the truck. The heavier the better.
Again, even with the 28 spline shafts, it'll show you what a locker is like and if it's driven with a little care you probably won't break it right away. Buy a used one and put it in. You're looking at maybe $150 spent on the experiment if you sell the locker when you're done.
So I dont wanna buy something just to test it out because I would still have to pay to have it installed as I dont know how to myself. I want the permanent solution. I have to drive 3-5 hours to get to my hunting area/town then another 1.5-2 hrs into the mountains to camp. There is no phone signal out there if I get stuck so definitely don’t want to just trial something, I got lucky to run into someone to help me last time. So what’s the best solution?
In that situation where you want to be one and done I think what Stephen said the first time was the correct solution, a 14 bolt semi floater will let you keep your current wheels and tires.
If you were to change to a 14b full floater that is even stronger but you would need 8 lug wheels and a front 8 lug conversion.
I think the semifloater is plenty strong for what you are doing and @imiceman44 and @longbedder had one for sale previously if he is closer, maybe its gone.
Either way, get one of those two axles and put a Detroit locker or a selectable in that, done. I prefer the Detroit.
If you were to change to a 14b full floater that is even stronger but you would need 8 lug wheels and a front 8 lug conversion.
I think the semifloater is plenty strong for what you are doing and @imiceman44 and @longbedder had one for sale previously if he is closer, maybe its gone.
Either way, get one of those two axles and put a Detroit locker or a selectable in that, done. I prefer the Detroit.
Mine is the one from longbedder.
And yes I am less than 2 hours away.
You’ll be able to install a lunchbox style locker yourself, very simple, just follow the directions, no gear setup needed. That’s assuming your 10 bolt is open as lunchbox style lockers won’t work in a g80 case.
Get a Locker and do it once. No matter what work you go through or axle work you do in addition to getting a locker it will be a real locker that works. The limited slip will eventually leave you hanging. Literally.
Are Eaton E lockers any good, I’m looking into those and thinking of upgrading to 30 spline shafts.
I have one for the 9.5" and it's been great. There is a rumor that they unlock/lock each time you change directions, but I don't know if there's consensus on that. Keep in mind that you have to drill a hole in the axle housing, similar to what would be required for an ARB.
I was just researching my options and the e locker sounded like a better option. This way I can turn it on and off and only use it when I have too in order to not damage rear end. But still looking into maybe just getting a stronger rear end and just putting the money into that instead.
By the way I really appreciate everyone for taking the time to reply to my questions. My apologies if I’m annoying you all. This is my first 4x4 vehicle I’ve ever owned so I don’t know anything about 4x4ing products. I am starting to learn a little so thank you all
no problem; that's what we are here for
you can run an OX locker on cable, air or electric. the actuator goes through the cover so you don't have to drill a hole in the housing
didn't the eaton e locker come factory in H2s, probably not with 4.10 gears. A H2 axle might be a nice upgrade rear disc brakes too.
I like the sound of this one
Only problem ...... h2 is 8lug
FYI, just something to consider.
All selectable lockers, when locked, act like a spool. So essentially the rear tires are locked together as one axle. When unlocked it acts like an open diff. But this means when locked it may want to push the truck straight in some offroad situations if you have more traction in the back than the front.
A Detroit locker is different. Many people assume it automatically locks, which is not really the case(that is the case with a G80 "gov lock"). What the detroit locker and many lunchbox lockers actually do, is they are usually locked and they automatically unlock. Think of a ratchet, each side works like a ratchet and can spin faster than the ring gear, but not slower. So if you go around a curve the outside tire that wants to spin faster can disengage and spin faster. The moment it stops spinning faster either from going straight or applying more power than the inside tire can hold, then it catches and is under power again.
The drawback to that is there is a little more backlash so the cam can switch ratchet directions when you put it in reverse. This can be harsh sometimes, for example if you go around a curve or change lanes under power and you let off during that maneuver it can go from driving the inside tire to engine braking on the outside tire.
So a selectable can be either be a spool or open, whereas a Detroit is in between and in a way both at the same time, something the selectable cannot do.
Either way, having all power available to one axle means that axle needs to be strong enough to take all the torque.
Anyway, just helping you decide what's right for you.
All selectable lockers, when locked, act like a spool. So essentially the rear tires are locked together as one axle. When unlocked it acts like an open diff. But this means when locked it may want to push the truck straight in some offroad situations if you have more traction in the back than the front.
A Detroit locker is different. Many people assume it automatically locks, which is not really the case(that is the case with a G80 "gov lock"). What the detroit locker and many lunchbox lockers actually do, is they are usually locked and they automatically unlock. Think of a ratchet, each side works like a ratchet and can spin faster than the ring gear, but not slower. So if you go around a curve the outside tire that wants to spin faster can disengage and spin faster. The moment it stops spinning faster either from going straight or applying more power than the inside tire can hold, then it catches and is under power again.
The drawback to that is there is a little more backlash so the cam can switch ratchet directions when you put it in reverse. This can be harsh sometimes, for example if you go around a curve or change lanes under power and you let off during that maneuver it can go from driving the inside tire to engine braking on the outside tire.
So a selectable can be either be a spool or open, whereas a Detroit is in between and in a way both at the same time, something the selectable cannot do.
Either way, having all power available to one axle means that axle needs to be strong enough to take all the torque.
Anyway, just helping you decide what's right for you.
