Manny's 83 K10 (INDEX)(56K) Manny answers his critics and FALSE ACCUSATIONS

[MuddinManny]

boggers are a rear tire and tsl's are front tires due to their floatation qualities where your weight is. write to interco yourself if you want to hear it for yourself.
on ur way back to va why don't you stop off in helena ark and play in some of this mississippi river gumbo, i'm positive we have some holes you wont go thru with 8'' of lift and 39.5''s, it doesn't matter how much power uhave.

there are several guys around here with 1000+ hp big blocks on the bottle with 18-22'' custom springs with d60's upfront with a spool and sterling rears with detroits and 44'' boggers and 49'' iroks and they can't make it thru, several places where EVERY1 goes around those holes on our trails.

if you ever set it down on the frame and underbelly, it will try and pull your floor pans off as you get pulled out, have actually seen it pull some floorpans off of rusted trucks!! don't get me wrong thats 1 radical ride ur putting together,
but to go so far as saying no more getting stuck for you, then your just not trying to go places others can't. because i know 1 of these holes, i'm talking about, will take 8'' of lift and 39.5's and leave you sitting with mud over your hood,mud up on ur door glass!! and that 16.5ti won't do anything but keep breaking your cable!! theres always a bigger badder hole than any truck out there,

but still thats a nice rig ,

i hope those 2 yellow top optimas aren't just sitting on that concrete floor, some people say its not true but i've ruined several batteries by putting them directly on the concrete, looks like you may have some wood under them tho, really can't tell, what ever they sit on needs to be an insolator, no metal or conductive material, i don't know how it does it but concrete will kill cells in a battery not just discharge it!

Hey Blazin,

Thanks for the info. You're right! Boggers in the rear, and TSL's up front are the bo snizzle! They are the ultimate muddin' combo. I've seen it and it's tits!

I'm only kiddin about not gettin' stuck. Gettin' stuck is half the fun and you're right! There are plenty of holes bigger than my truck, and there are plenty of rigs bigger than mine. I'm just throwin' stuff. I've waited a long time for a truck like this. I'd love to come and run the Mississippi Delta MUD. I've only seen pics of it, and it'll swallow trucks whole! Yahoo, good time! Yeah, the 16.5Ti is nice, but there IS a hole bigger that will only snap the cable or burn it out.

Thanks for the heads up on the Yellow Tops! Yeah, they are on two by fours. I know about the concrete issue. Yes, concrete drains the battery power. I used to sell batteries.

I'd love to join y'all for a day in the MUD. When I ride to VA I may just look y'all up.

Thanks!

Manny

 

[muddybuddy]

manny when you come to va let me know. where in va would you be goin?

i duno what your talkin bout, but my truck never gets stuck i went through that mississippi delta mud pit in 2wd

 

[JpEater]

i hope those 2 yellow top optimas aren't just sitting on that concrete floor, some people say its not true but i've ruined several batteries by putting them directly on the concrete, looks like you may have some wood under them tho, really can't tell, what ever they sit on needs to be an insolator, no metal or conductive material, i don't know how it does it but concrete will kill cells in a battery not just discharge it!

I used to agree but now I make it a point not to store batteries on wood and have not seen a difference. I hear this all the time but no one has ever prooved the myth true. Most of the time if someone has a battery on the floor they aren't using it so it will die in what seems like weeks but in reality in our busy lives it is really months. Till I see proof I don't believe the myth.

 

[MuddinManny]

manny when you come to va let me know. where in va would you be goin?

i duno what your talkin bout, but my truck never gets stuck i went through that mississippi delta mud pit in 2wd

Hey Muddybuddy,

I'd be going to Norfolk and Fredericksburg. You're not so far away. Ever hit up I-95 at the Dumfrees exit? Mud holes galore, unless they've built condo's there. I know lots of places in Fredericksburg and up your way, so I'll try to look you up. Prolly won't be for a couple of months yet.

Manny

 

[muddybuddy]

let me know. im at scool, but if your comin, i can try to get a ride home where the truck be at

 

[ryoken]

i hope those 2 yellow top optimas aren't just sitting on that concrete floor, some people say its not true but i've ruined several batteries by putting them directly on the concrete, looks like you may have some wood under them tho, really can't tell, what ever they sit on needs to be an insolator, no metal or conductive material, i don't know how it does it but concrete will kill cells in a battery not just discharge it!

Thats bunk... 100% scientifacally untrue... old wives tale..

Yeah, no one ever thought I could build this bad boy, but I have.

Why not? It's just money... After all, someone else built it...

 

[blazin_blazer]

let me know when u headed out and come across the mississippi river at helena and we can break it in...i tellin u tho its a biotch to wash this crap off your rig...2wd yea you can back ur 2wd down in these holes and when we pull you back out 2'' of sediment in your bed maybe even a catfish or 2, i've actually seen guys get crawfish in the cab with them..that was funny

 

[Greg72]

So the subject line of this post is bragging about a motor and the only pictures posted are of leaf springs and a winch???

Give us the "money shot" or change the subject line!!!!

 

[blazin_blazer]

i want to see the whole thing not just the motor, put that 1st shot then the after shot right under it and then post how much $ from that to this!

 

[blazin_blazer]

i believe, i've witnessed

Hey Blazin,

Thanks for the heads up on the Yellow Tops! Yeah, they are on two by fours. I know about the concrete issue. Yes, concrete drains the battery power. I used to sell batteries.

Manny

hmmm. just an old wives tale and the man agrees and he used to seel batteries, and i've had several batteries ruined by sitting them on concrete and the battery man told me that was probally what ruined them.
i don't care if mythbuster say its busted i've seen it 1st hand and i won't ever sit my battery on the ground or on a slab of concrete without sum wood under them. btw, manny did your distributer tell you that or what. where did you get the info about sittin a battery on concrete?

 

[ryoken]

Gee, you've seen it, and a SALESMAN'S word.. I'm convinced!

Ever think there may have been another reason as to why they discharged? hmmmm... Maybe if their water was checked and they where properly maintained, it wouldn't have happened.. I just love that "it was good when I put it there 6 months ago" stuff... Sounds like customers at work, "but it worked ok last week"...

There is no reason not to store a lead acid battery on the floor... 80 to 100yrs ago when the cases where made of rubber, wood and other materials, it was an issue... Nowadays no, as a matter of fact in some cases the cool ground helps them last longer...

here's a few links to educate you...

http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq14.htm#concrete

http://www.powerstream.com/Storage.htm

http://www.absolutebattery.com/faq.htm

http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www/faqs/tech_talk/maintenance/storing.htm

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_battery.html

http://www.minnkotamotors.com/view.asp?url=/support/faq/batteries&pt=11

http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm

I wont bother posting the other 900 links...

But what do I know, we only haul out, store and maintain like 500 batteries every winter... Every kind of battery known to man, from monster gel and lead 8D's to 6 and 8 volters....

btw, my hernia says I'm right too.... Damn talking hernia...

 

[blazin_blazer]

hmmm guess its true...you found it on the net

it took about 5 days, not to discharge, it ruined 2 of the cells and it was full of hydrachloric...and u can talk til ur blue in the face because its not an isolated 1 time event....i've seen it over and over and over, hmm but what do i know i've only had 5 hernia repairs but the last time they lined me with mesh...but whats that got to bo with the price of eggs in china?

you know that hydrochloric is the same stuff in your stomache and look what it does to the metal and stuff....that mucas our stomache excretes must be some bad stuff! straight alkaline?

 

[MuddinManny]

i want to see the whole thing not just the motor, put that 1st shot then the after shot right under it and then post how much $ from that to this!

Will do! Pics for sure. I'm trying to get a video camera to video tape all the installs for y'all to see. Maybe it can help and it'll be enjoyable. As for the money, yeah I'll post it. Didn't realize how expensive stuff can be. Altogether, so far I've spent about $23,000.00 in upgrades. You'll just have to wait and see for what are where.

Manny

 

[ryoken]

hmmm guess its true...you found it on the net

Man, that is lame.. What an excuse for ignorance, discount it because it's the interweb....

I tend to think the official websites for Optima, Interstate, etc are going to have valid info on batteries....

Your talking Optima's? Here's their website... #8 in their FAQ's..

http://www.optimabatteries.com/publ...product_info/technology/faq.html#000100010008

Direct from Interstates site in their FAQ's..

"Will storing my battery on concrete drain the charge? No. Regarding today's batteries, this is a myth. A battery placed on concrete will not discharge any faster, but a battery will discharge over a period of time wherever it is placed. If the battery has a surface layer of acid or grime which is conductive, the battery will self-discharge more rapidly than if it were clean and dry.

This myth does have some historical basis. Many years ago, wooden battery cases encased a glass jar with the battery in it. Any moisture on the floor could cause the wood to swell and possibly fracture the glass, causing it to leak. Later came the introduction of the "hard rubber" cases, which were somewhat porous. A current could be conducted through this container, which had a high carbon content, if the moist concrete floor permitted the current to find an electrical ground. The wise advise of the old days to "not store batteries on concrete" has apparently been passed down to us today, but it no longer applies. "



I'm guessing at this point that you have some "magical" garage floor that sucks the souls of batteries... Maybe an Exorcism would help... A call to Battery Man may be in order!

Manny, my apologies for the ongoing off-topic drag... Feel free to drag it back where it was with some fresh pics, or dyno sheets would be cool too....

 

[MuddinManny]

Manny, my apologies for the ongoing off-topic drag... Feel free to drag it back where it was with some fresh pics, or dyno sheets would be cool too....

Hey Ryoken,

No problem. Heck, I learned something outta this! Anyway. I spoke with Mr. Janke today on my 383. Did a couple of passes again on the Dyno. The Dyno revealed self-retardation in the motor which may be linked to my ACCEL Distributor. He is going to change out to a MSD to see if it rectifies the problem. If so, looks like I'll have a MSD! I am prolly going down Saturday to see a Dyno live, and will get some reports and pics. Don't worry everyone, I'm doing everything I can to picture my buildup and share it.

Thanks for the encouragement. No apologies necessary. Sometimes, a lil off-topic is a healthy thing!

Manny

 

[y5mgisi]

Manny, Mind me asking what you do for a living?

 

[Avery4jc]

holy crap! 23G's! That seems like a lot...$10,000 for the engine, $2,000 for axles, $1,000 for lift, $1500 for wheels and tires, $2,000 for winch/crossover/misc...what am I missing?

-Avery

 

[DavidB]

Kinda cool, what does combat engineer mean exactly? You engineer tactics or equipment or...?

 

[MuddinManny]

Manny's 83 K10 Updated: 11/30 383 info/23K Challenge

holy crap! 23G's! That seems like a lot...$10,000 for the engine, $2,000 for axles, $1,000 for lift, $1500 for wheels and tires, $2,000 for winch/crossover/misc...what am I missing?

-Avery

Hey Avery,

Yes, $23,000.00. And I am not finished yet. I still have driveshafts, D60 calipers, Borgesun steering shaft, frame boxing, and miscellaneous wiring materials from Radio Shack to get. LOL I'd love to post up the catalog of parts and the associated costs, but it would then let the cat outta the bag. If you see the list, you'll know everything before it can be revealed. Rest assured, I will show the list.

Here is some eye candy

The detailed receipt will be coming later as to parts used, stock numbers, etc. Mr. Janke has been building engines for close to 60 years. His expertise ranges from Nascar Circuit to pro funny car dragsters; pro-street modifieds, pro-mud drags all the way down to dirt track. He builds muscle car motors to mudders. His wealth of knowledge is amazing. I cannot even begin to describe his office. All I can say is WOW! I'm not very knowledgeable on motors, so I told him what I wanted in lay-mans' terms, and that's why this receipt isn't detailed. But I can assure you he has used the best parts.

4340 Forged Crank
Flat-top Pistons
Hydraulic Rollers, cams, lifters, etc.
Dart Aluminum heads
Edelbrock H.O. Water Pump
Edelbrock Raised Intake
Holley 750 cfm 4BBL
and so much more...

He guaranteed me 500HP and 425 ft/lbs of torque. So far, he's more than kept his word.

As I said before, I may need to purchase a new distributor. If so, the MSD should run me about $300.00. The good news is, that my 750 cfm Holley 4BBL will do just fine. Originally, he thought I might need to move up to an 850.

Hopefully I can get away from post on Saturday. I want to see my engine dyno'd so bad. I'm gonna see if I can borrow my friends video camera to tape it, then post it. We'll hafta see. Till then, ponder, ponder, ponder.

Now my question for you. Did you ever keep track of your expenses while lifting your rig? Bet you spent a pretty penny too! And, just so you are aware, I did my homework. I smart shopped. Price Compared. Used price matching and beating to the best of my ability. Formed good relations with vendors, and repeat business brought deeper discounts. What I have bought are the parts necessary to make a competant trail rig capable of handling most conceivable situation, obstacles, stuck and recovery situations. Did I hit it all, no. No one can. But I ain't buildin' no trailer queen or street muffin. This is a balls to the walls, get 'ur done MUD TRUCK! I am building her for not only off-road fun, but amateur class MUD DRAGGIN' here in TEXAS!

Which reminds me....when I'm done, should I buy a set of truck-nutz???

Manny

 

[MuddinManny]

Kinda cool, what does combat engineer mean exactly? You engineer tactics or equipment or...?

I am a 21W10, which is Heavy Combat Engineer, Carpentry Masonry Specialist. My primary duties are building roads, airstrips, foundations, sidewalks, driveways, footings, buildings of various sizes including frame and concrete.

Of course we are all infantrymen, so I will be used in either a direct defensive status or support.

My secondary duty is that of a combat lifesaver. I tend to the wounded on the battlefield in a limited capacity until a combat medic can arrive.

All in all, it's a decent job. I really wanted to operate heavy equipment.

Manny