MaxPF's 6.2 build

[MaxPF]

they are big I won't lie to you but the 2 filters are in parrallel and would last 2 years or more with the size of them...........

Holy keerap they're huge Is that what you're using on you're Cummins?

 

[DEMON44]

.......frickin huuge

yes they are the primary filter set off a 24 Liter V12 MTU/Detroit

I will be. I;ll find a spot somewhere for it. can't have too much filtration on fuel.

 

[MaxPF]

.......frickin huuge

yes they are the primary filter set off a 24 Liter V12 MTU/Detroit

I will be. I;ll find a spot somewhere for it. can't have too much filtration on fuel.

So, in reality we only need 1/2 of one of them

Anyway, if you wanna get rid of one, I will sure take it. PM me with shipping to 85204

 

[DEMON44]

sure thing..........shipping like UPS

 

[MaxPF]

sure thing..........shipping like UPS

You know what - let me know how tall those cannisters are so I can check first to see if I even have room...

 

[DEMON44]

Filter is 9" tall + filterhead 3" tall........ 9" wide. mount plate is 6"x4"


if it fits, its your's................

 

[MaxPF]

Filter is 9" tall + filterhead 3" tall........ 9" wide. mount plate is 6"x4"


if it fits, its your's................

The inlet and outlet are 3/4"NPT! And the whole assembly is a foot tall! I don't think it will be a good fit for my K5

Seriously, I really appreciate the offer but I think they are just too darn big. If you mount 'em on your rig you gotta show us some pics

 

[MaxPF]

The beginning of the oil pan

I finally got around to working on the oil pan. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the factory pan has issues, so I needed to fabricate a custom pan. I initially chose to construct the pan out of aluminum, and in fact I had already bought the material. When I mentioned it to my old man (he is a long-time fabricator/race car builder) he was concerned about vibration-induced cracking. With proper post-weld heat treat it would probably be OK (using 5052 instead of 6061 would also probably be better), but I didn't really want to risk it. So, I decided to make it out of steel instead.

The one obstacle I had was that I didn't have unlimited access to a TIG welder. TIG welding is pretty much a necessity when welding something that needs to be fluid-tight, especially when the material is thin. I decided this project was the justification I needed to buy a new toy, err, tool:

My worktable kinda sucks, though...

I've got plans to build a decent welding table, but I need to let my funds build up a bit first.


Anyway, I started building the pan rails using 1"x1/8" cold-rolled 1018 bar, using the gasket as a template. I had to splice together some pieces in order to make the ends:

Here's my crummy weld. I haven't TIG welded in a looong time...

After some minor with the right-angle air sander it looks a bit better:

Then I got out the plasma cutter and made a mess of it:

A little more work with the air sander and I got it to take the shape of the gasket:

Holes drilled and the rail for the rear cap bent:

 

[DEMON44]

....it is big for sure. the ports are actually 1" NPT you can't see it with the flash. I'm horny about more filtration. you can get secondary filters for this headsize, that are about 5 micron. with the capacity you could still run them pre transfer pump. seriously if you find a nice home for them on an offset steel bracket to tuck them up or something I've got lots. they just get thrown out at work...new, so I started a personal crusade salvage program.

 

[MaxPF]

Well, what the heck. I'll make 'em fit, even if it means converting it to a single filter . PM me on shipping

 

[DEMON44]

ok will do. I know you can get block off plates for a filter port, to turn a dual head filter manifold into a single.

 

[Duntz00]

couldn't ya find a smaller filter to put on them instead of the super sized filters

 

[MaxPF]

couldn't ya find a smaller filter to put on them instead of the super sized filters

I dunno. It looks like one of those cans will give a 50,000 mile change interval though

 

[tRustyK5]

Nice start on the oil pan! Keep the pic's of that coming please. My TIG isn't much better than yours, but I don't get much practise either. Any need for a windage tray on a diesel in your opinion? Any plans for custom baffles or anything else?

Rene

 

[MaxPF]

Nice start on the oil pan! Keep the pic's of that coming please. My TIG isn't much better than yours, but I don't get much practise either. Any need for a windage tray on a diesel in your opinion? Any plans for custom baffles or anything else?

Rene

I use to be able to lay a nice, consistent, pretty weld. Oh well, at least I own my own machine so I can practice now

Diesels don't turn fast enough to really benefit from a windage tray, IMO. I am going to keep it simple and duplicate the stock baffle arrangement. The only difference is that I will put threaded bosses in the pan so I can attach the baffle plate with small screws rather than welding. That way if I think I need something better I won't have to hack at welds to remove it. Also, it will make cleaning easier if I have to remove the pan for some reason.

One thing I may do is add some volume to the pan. I need to see if I have room under the truck to clear a pan like this one:

From the looks of it that pan should hold a couple more quarts vs. a regular 6.2 pan...

 

[maynardogle]

Wait...when did the heads go on! How are you gonna figure out if the pistons touch the valves? Are the pushrods stock? Did the roller rockers work out? Are you gonna extend the screen on the oil pickup to take advantage of the new pan? What did you do about the dipstick interference with the girdle? And what did compression ratio turn out to be?... Sorry.. I took a couple days off to do my own post and now I'm lost.

 

[MaxPF]

Uhh, that ain't my motor. I just posted a pic of that motor to show how I might make my pan.

 

[MaxPF]

And on we go...

I have the rails and the rear cap seal surface done, so now I need to make the part to seal on the front cover and put them all together:

I have to duplicate that gasket in 1/8" steel. Piece of cake:

My TIG welds still suck, but they are improving:

I used the gasket to mark out the outline:

After a little plasma cutter and action it takes shape:

I drilled the holes and bolted it in place:

HEre's some pics of the rails mounted:

The fun part is tacking it all up while bolted to an assembled short block. As a rule TIG doesn't make any sparks, but I used some aluminum foil as a shield just in case:

The finished pan rail:

Tomorrow I will start putting sheet metal on it...

 

[MaxPF]

Not much progress...

I didn't get as much done today as I had hoped.

I stuck the new Melling oil pump in place to check pickup depth. This is a high-volume pump for 97-up 6.5 apps with the piston oil sprayers, so I though t it may be a bit taller than the stocker. It turns out is isn't, but it never hurts to check:

One thing I did discover is interference between the pump body and one of the ARP studs on the rear main cap:

It's no big deal. Some minor grinding work on that part of the pump will make it clear the stud.


I settled on a pan depth of 8-3/4". I made the rear part first - this should be the most difficult piece since It had to have a semi-circular cutout that fits pretty close (TIG isn't very good for filling gaps). Then I had to make some corners with some pre-bent material in order to clear the two rear bolt holes:

Other than that, I got the sides cut out:

I did move the front of the sump forward a bit to get some extra oil capacity. I decided not to slope it like the pan I showed in the above post because I plan on moving my crossmember back, and it would have had to be dropped too low to clear that type of pan.

Anyway, that's about it. Right about now I am wishing I had a good shear and brake for doing sheetmetal work

 

[MaxPF]

Quick update:

I scrapped the steel oil pan. It warped so badly during welding that I couldn't salvage it. So, I have started on another pan, this time made from aluminum. I will post another update once I have some pics.