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More problems... '89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle

Ohh also try unplugging the knock sensor and check the wire going to it. If it were bad or the wire grounded it would play hell with the timing.
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle

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don't know of anybody who has recommended pulling a tank

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Maybe not for baoters, but ever hear of someone mentioned varnish in the tank? About 100% of the tmie the recommended fix is pulling the tank to clean it thoroughly.

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Perhaps millions of boaters are adding fuel stabilizers needlessly.

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Many, many boats *sit* in near 100% humidity conditions for most of their lives, often for 6 months at a time, and do not run vapor recovery systems. So comparing them to cars is pointless. You might as well compare a diesel engine.

AFAIK almost all GM gas engines since at LEAST 1981 have evap, (general disclaimer, some HD trucks and what not will not) and I'd bet that it was even earlier than that, around '78 or so.

in relation to this post, how is bad gas, (that a stabilizer could perhaps help to prevent), going to create an (apparently) off-idle/cruise only problem? bad gas should, if anything, cause an extremely poor idle, with hard starts, probably manifesting itself during all engine operation.
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Krazie87K5- Thanks for the thanks, but I need to clarify who's talking here. Cooper is the "Orange" member and is my high school student son. I'm Foy, his registered but non-orange father (figured one orange in the family was enough). Cooper drives our old '90 Burban with 180,000 miles, and he and I spend plenty of quality (?) time keeping her on the road. I spend other spare time boating, reading and exchanging info on boating boards, and wrenching those rusty old Scouts.

I've been very happy here, too, with the mostly civil exchange of information. It's a little more of a younger set here, it seems, younger than the 40-65+ year old regulars on the Scout and boating boards, and the language and discourse seems to reflect that, but if you guys can tolerate a rambling old 48 year old fool, I'm fine with all of the rest. Dorian's comments weren't take by me to be even remotely a flame--he was enthusiastically stating his position--and that's always fine with me, too.

Let's get that oldie but goodie Burban of yours going the way you want and need her to, and keep on exchanging info and ideas.

Foy (who logged in from work and forgot he'd logged in as Cooper when he responded)
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Foy-

Thanks for that clarification... I was almost going to say that for a high-school-aged person to speak as well you did was almost too good to be true. Thank you for clarifying - you've restored my believe that ALL high school kids really are punks! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

NOW... on to the FIX to my problem. Do you want to know?

Really want to know?































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I had the wrong spark plugs installed in the 96 Voretc heads. I used the 89 Burb plugs instead... which are shallow plugs in comparision to the deeper vortec plugs. Installed the correct spark plugs, and guess what? The damn thing runs like a bat outta hell all the sudden, and idles like a purring kitten. I am so glad its together and good now. I even bumped the timing up again! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

So to all that have tolerated my ignorance thoughout this process... THANK YOU. I hope through my wonder-blunder someone else might learn something. If nothing else, there is lots of good tech in this thread.

Thanks again guys, and sorry for the silly mistake. Please, in the future... don't assume that I've done something stupid... this really was a silly mistake on my behalf.

Thanks again all! /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif

-Dan
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Glad to hear ya got it fixed, now ya better go get that Blazer running. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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(gee, i thought i was the only cross-over in that age bracket who had a binder hidden in the garage!!!)
76 Terra, 345, 3:73, wide, with factory topper, 265,000 mi
91 sub, 1500, 350/700R4, with 3/4 4:10 axles & rear disc!
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Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Well, it sure appears that there's a strong vote against performing a very simple and cheap procedure to see if it reduces or eliminates the stumbling problem. I thought that's what our poster was asking for.

I don't have a clue of what to do in terms of running down ignition and fuel delivery problems with TBFI computer controlled engines, and I respect anybody who does. I was just trying to offer some help to a guy who noted that he'd bought a truck that had sat for a year, and my experience with old trucks and boats told me to suggest that bad fuel may be some or all of his problem.

Dorian, my boat, as with millions of others, does not sit in a 100% humidity environment all of the time. For the last 16 years, my boats have sat in my driveway, on it's trailer, much to the disappointment of my wife and neighbors. Irrespective of evaporative systems in trucks, I doubt they work very efficiently while the truck has been sitting for a year. While it's running, sure.

In fact, two stroke outboards, four stroke outboards, four stroke stern drives, four stroke inboards, marine diesels, and all types of marine and automotive engines are exactly the same when it comes to requiring clean, stable fuel. The vessels and vehicles which sit for a period of time with untreated fuel in the tank can suffer from a variety of operational problems, usually manifest by poor running conditions. I have personally owned one truck and one boat which idled just fine but would not power up until the fuel filters were changed, fresh fuel poured in (following the draining or siphoning of the stale fuel), and stabilizer run through the idling engine along with the fresh fuel to clean out the crud in the fuel delivery system.

In the past year I've pulled two tanks from Scouts in order to steam them and POR them. Varnish is my constant companion. I'd sure as heck pull a boat tank if either me or a prior owner had been foolish or ill-informed enough to leave untreated fuelin it for long enough for varnish to form. I have no idea how long that takes, but I have not suggested that it's within the 40-60 day period I suggested as a shelf life of untreated gasoline. That period, as I've read elsewhere, is the period after which the fuel begins to break down and becomes of poorer quality.

So, leave the untreated fuel in your power equipment, boat, or truck as long as you'd like. No skin off of my nose. If you're looking for a proven way to prevent some fuel related problems, or cure some, try stabilizer and/or store and start additives. It's cheap, easy, and requires no tools or diagnostic equipment or skills.

Dan- Congrats on getting the old girl going. Going back to the beginning and reviewing everything you thought to be correct and true is sometimes the way to find the problem.

Let's keep these future classics on the road, and off.

Foy
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Put the timing back to where it says it should be. There is no performance gains in doing that on a EFI motor. The computer will retard the 4 degrees right back out of it. The timing is run as advance as it can be till it gets spark knock and then the ECM retards to just under that point.

What you are accomplishing is making it harder to start. The 4degrees advance is about perfect to make it start real easy and once the ECM finds it's place it will advance as needed.
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

i can definately vouche for fuel age, etc being a huge issue in the marine industry. i winterize and shrink about 200 boats every fall, and nearly all get a can of Stabil.

old fuel is an issue for us alot in used boats. boat sits 2 yrs, someone buys it and wonders why it wont run right.

not to mention the amount of cr*p boats inherently have in their tanks. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Re: More problems... \'89 Burb stumbling off idle ***UPDATE***

Grimmy-

You cannot be serious here. I am tempted to start a new thread! I have ALWAYS advanced timing on EVERY EFI motor I've ever encountered, and have benefitted significantly from these adjustments. You are correct saying that the knock sensor allows the ECM to make its own timing adjustments by cranking the timing out to the edge of knocking and then retard it slightly.

I cannot claim to know why advancing base timing (with the brown wire disconnected) has an effect on performance, but it DOES! I’ve had trucks that had little to no mid-to-upper end power, but after turning the timing to 11-12* the truck regains A TON of power.

I think I will start a new thread. I am really interested to see where this one goes! /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

FOLLOW THIS TOPIC ON THIS NEW THREAD!

-Dan
 
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