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This was one of the coolest things I found at the SEMA show last week:

Like other systems it is self learning, but this requires no return fuel line, has less wiring connections, and will also control timing and fan controls with the control unit of the EFI.

http://www.atomicefi.com/
 
no, but I would guess to be competitive...it would be in the 1700-2000 range.
 
simple enough even I might be able to pull off the install.
 
Looks like a sicker version of this set-up...

PFS-70026.jpg


These Professional Products Powerjection III systems are a major leap in technology for aftermarket fuel injection systems. They are inexpensive and easy systems to install. The Powerjection III features the Engine Management System (EMS) mounted directly on the throttle body. This eliminates a major portion of the wiring harness found on most EFI systems. The injectors, and the idle air control are contained inside the throttle body and the unit that controls them is attached to the side of the throttle body. Despite its compact size, the EMS is still laptop programmable although this is normally not required with most installations. It is a feature for those enthusiasts who prefer to do their own programming. For most enthusiasts, the installed program is more than suitable. This, like Professional Products other EFI systems, is fully self learning. Install it, fire it up, drive it around for 30 minutes or so and it dials itself in. It continues to fine tune itself as it adjusts to your driving habits and various atmospheric conditions.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PFS-70026/?rtype=10
 
That is pretty slick! Just hook up an O2 sensor, coolant temp sensor, and fuel pump and its good to go.
 
Looks like a sicker version of this set-up...

PFS-70026.jpg


These Professional Products Powerjection III systems are a major leap in technology for aftermarket fuel injection systems. They are inexpensive and easy systems to install. The Powerjection III features the Engine Management System (EMS) mounted directly on the throttle body. This eliminates a major portion of the wiring harness found on most EFI systems. The injectors, and the idle air control are contained inside the throttle body and the unit that controls them is attached to the side of the throttle body. Despite its compact size, the EMS is still laptop programmable although this is normally not required with most installations. It is a feature for those enthusiasts who prefer to do their own programming. For most enthusiasts, the installed program is more than suitable. This, like Professional Products other EFI systems, is fully self learning. Install it, fire it up, drive it around for 30 minutes or so and it dials itself in. It continues to fine tune itself as it adjusts to your driving habits and various atmospheric conditions.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PFS-70026/?rtype=10

Wait for heath to chime in on this one lol. He has all kinds of bad stuff to say bout it lol
 
I posted this in your vegas page, didn't see this until after....

I had to check out that EFI, it looks pretty trick but I still think the FAST is much better. This MSD system doesn't have flow through fuel rails, doesn't have the injecters below the throttle blades, has annular discharge rings... High pressure EFI doesn't need those, it's like a gimmick IMO. I am a huge MSD fan, I like MSD products, ignition, dizzys, super conductor wires, etc. I like MSD, but I think this EFI is a little behind the times with the design of the injector placement and fuel system.

Now I will add this...

If you look here...

http://www.atomicefi.com/Compare.aspx

You can see the chart comparing them.

My two favorites are the FAST and this MSD system. I like Holley products but last I checked their self learnnig EFI was low pressure just like the old TBI systems, no thanks. If that is still the case then I put them last unfortuntely.

The Powerjection unit is some chinese crap that I wouldn't trust, although the design does look strikingly similar to the new MSD unit.

So in the rest of the chart, they boast mostly about the least connections. I think that's a non issue Dave, you could install the fast system darn near just as easily. All the same sensors are built into the throttle body in the FAST unit, just not the ecu. You still need to install the coolant and O2 sensors. At the bottom they just lied, the sensors are built into the throttle body, you just have to plug in the prelabeled harness, no bid deal.

So here what I think of the chart....

1-3: all connectors, no big deal, in fact I prefer the ECU out of harms way in the cab.

4: returnless design, I think this is actually worse, not better. Fuel flowing keeps the pump cooler, more reliable, reduces air pockets, and keeps a constant flow of already moving fuel available at the injectors.

5 - 7: the same (the FAST does have a fan control too, I'm using it)

8: 2nd fan control, nice but not necessary really.

9: timing control, now that is definitely interesting, have never seen that in self learning, although it makes me wonder how well it works. However, I also think that this is a small gain. Once I have my timing set and curved I never really change it anyway. Keep in mind you will have to lock your distributors mach and vacuum advance out, and phase it to the ECU for this to work correctly, along with phasing the rotor correctly.

10: a lie, the sensors are integrated into the FAST throttle body, just not the ECU, which I prefer.

11: max power, kind of wrong, The FAST unit can actually go to 650 with higher pressure, and 1300 hp with two throttle bodies, which probably isn't an option with the MSD part. (this doesn't matter to us anyway)

12: OK, that is a good one, I laughed.

With that said, if it works good that's all that matters, I look forward to seeing reviews on this one at least. With the projection I just see a bunch of people having troubles with it and taking forever to get their cars runnnig right if they can.

This MSD stuff looks like a quality product, but I would still buy the fast system if I bought a new one today based on the design of this one.


EDIT: I looked at more of the features and the fuel system is puzzling, it appears to have no regulator or relay, but the whole system does have a CAN power control module (seperate from the built in ECM). I am thinking they use the CAN PCM to PWM the fuel pump to control the fuel pressure, but I am just speculating. Either way, I think the standard return style fuel system with the regulator after the injectors is a better design.
 
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I just came across this in one of my 4x4 mags. Looks interesting. I put a GM TBI system in my K5 but it's still not running quite right, and I've had the ECU in place of my center console for 10 years. I'd like to plug in some modern technology.

If anyone understands the fuel setup on this, I'd like to understand. I have a return line, so I don't care about the one line thing. In fact, I'm pulling the tank to replace the sender anyway, so I'd rather put in an in-tank pump if I could understand what is needed in terms of regulators and what pump to buy with enough pressure.

I guess I also need to understand what I'd need for a distributor. Not sure if my TBI HEI setup is good to go or what.
 
I like it !!

seems super easy to install and setup....

I know from personal experience that every piece of MSD equipment I have ever purchased has performed exactly as it was supposed to.

lot to be said for a company that produces consistently proven equipment. :waytogo:
 
Response from MSD:

The fuel pump we offer can be mounted within the tank, however you will need to use the appropriate wire and fuel hose for in-tank use.

The simplest distributor for the Chevy would be our Pro-Billet Distributor PN 85551. The centrifugal advance will need to be locked out and the rotor changed to an adjustable rotor PN 84211 to compensate for the offset in rotor phasing.

Not sure about this since the pump is clearly an in-line pump. I mean, I guess you could stick it in the fuel, but that doesn't make it an in-tank pump. If I did this, I'd like to find a true in-tank pump that would fit properly and generate the right pressure. I'm sure it exists.

Wonder if I could get through AZ emissions with this... :thinking:
 
Been running an ez efi for over a year on my blazer with almost flawless performance. Ive installed ez efi's in a 82 ram charger, 70 chevelle, 69 firebird. All installed with ease except for the ramcharger and only because the customer wouldn't spend the extra money to put a pump in the tank and the only complaint with his was the loud fuel pump. In the chevelle and bird i used spectra replacement fuel tanks with installed 80+ psi fuel pumps in the tank.
I wonder if the msd with the pwm fuel pump setup works well. Seems to me that a car producing less power would run the pump less resulting in less on time and less voltage being delivered to the pump. How many pumps are designed to last with less than 12 volts being supplied? Both the chevelle and bird are 400+ hp cars and only run 43 psi on a return style system. Makes me wonder how low the pulse width modulated voltage would be at idle on say the stock 1982 ramcharger. Maybe im way off base but from experience i know that low voltage to a pump can cause premature failure. So would you need a fuel pump that was designed for pwm? I know most of the new cars i work on use a dead head pwm system but it seems that those pumps cost alot more than a pump that runs in a return style fuel system.
 
It looks cool but I'd be weiry of a pulse width fuel pump system. It reminds me of mechanical fuel pumps which are barely adiquate for carbs. The beauty of a return system is constant cool fuel at consistant pressure. The video says that fuel temp can increase up to 50* in a return system, but the warm fuel returns to the cool tank which is far from any heat sources and stays cool.
I like the timing control aspect but you still have to set the timing manually with the handheld controller so what's the difference than the standard mechanical and vacuum advance? :dunno:

I'll stick with my FAST kit, its pretty awsome :bow:
 
I'm holding out for a multi-port version...:D
 

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