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Never been to Moab. What is my truck capable of?

muddysub

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i'm a decent driver, i follow directions well and i can read terrain. i've been wheeling for most of my life but not so much the last few years. i don't want to bang up my Suburban, i like my sheet metal. i'm doing my BB15 registration, to all the Moab veterans who know the trails, what would you suggest?

specs are as follows:
'89 suburban full bodied
5.3/4l80e/clocked 241
dana 60 front, crossover, open diff now maybe a locker by then
14bff rear, discs, detroit
lifted ~4" ORD custom springs (not yet but by then)
sliders and custom bumpers, 12000lb winch
35" general grabbers
 
I can't remember how much your back bumper protects. Biggest problem with a burb (especially if you get a front locker ) is they go everywhere!

Long wheelbase helps lots in Moab. Other than Pritchett your capable of every trail blazer bash will be running. With good spotting you should be able to get through with no damage to your body. Bumpers are gonna get used so are the sliders.

Where's Keith when ya need him
 
well, that's good to hear. i'm thinking newbie run friday, crack n back saturday and not sure about sunday.
 
make sure your rear bumper is up to the task

I did Moab Rim, Hell's Revenge, Crack n back, and flat iron mesa. You can do all of those unless you don't like pinstripes in the paint I'd stay away from Flat Iron Mesa.
 
i'm a decent driver, i follow directions well and i can read terrain. i've been wheeling for most of my life but not so much the last few years. i don't want to bang up my Suburban, i like my sheet metal. i'm doing my BB15 registration, to all the Moab veterans who know the trails, what would you suggest?

specs are as follows:
'89 suburban full bodied
5.3/4l80e/clocked 241
dana 60 front, crossover, open diff now maybe a locker by then
14bff rear, discs, detroit
lifted ~4" ORD custom springs (not yet but by then)
sliders and custom bumpers, 12000lb winch
35" general grabbers
In response to your thread title, probably a lot more than you think. I think your rig is very comparable to mine. I have 2" more lift and a front locker but also another 3' of wheelbase. Zero body damage.

I know Lawrence had some rocker damage on his the DP burb last year, but your truck is taller. It really is rare to get body damage in Moab, but not impossible.

For the BB15 trail runs I would recommend the newb run, Crack n Back, and Hell's Revenge and you'll be just fine. You might scrape your rear bumper on Butt-Scratcher Rock, but that's about all I can think of that would be near certain contact.
 
make sure your rear bumper is up to the task

I did Moab Rim, Hell's Revenge, Crack n back, and flat iron mesa. You can do all of those unless you don't like pinstripes in the paint I'd stay away from Flat Iron Mesa.

Pinstripes I'm ok with, creases, no. Rear bumper shouldn't be an issue, I plan on adding more bracing to it anyway.

In response to your thread title, probably a lot more than you think. I think your rig is very comparable to mine. I have 2" more lift and a front locker but also another 3' of wheelbase. Zero body damage.

I know Lawrence had some rocker damage on his the DP burb last year, but your truck is taller. It really is rare to get body damage in Moab, but not impossible.

For the BB15 trail runs I would recommend the newb run, Crack n Back, and Hell's Revenge and you'll be just fine. You might scrape your rear bumper on Butt-Scratcher Rock, but that's about all I can think of that would be near certain contact.

Sweet! I'm ok with dragging the rear bumper, that's its job.
 
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Run Gold Bar Rim aka "Trifecta", better trail then Crack "n" Back lots of fun stuff on the trail before you get to the crack. Plus you get the crack too.

Hells will be an easy run, rear bumper will drag and fuel tank so make sure your tank has a skid. Most of the bad obstacles have three different ways to go over them easy-hard.

Dont know what the newby run is but it should not be an issue.

Be nice to have another Sub at BB gets rather lonely :D
 
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Run Gold Bar Rim aka "Trifecta", better trail then Crack "n" Back lots of fun stuff on the trail before you get to the crack. Plus you get the crack too.

Hells will be an easy run, rear bumper will drag and fuel tank so make sure your tank has a skid. Most of the bad obstacles have three different ways to go over them easy-hard.

Dont know what the newby run is but it should not be an issue.

Be nice to have another Sub at BB gets rather lonely :D


I've got the stock fuel tank skid that I added another 1/8" plate to. I'm thinking I'll be ok.
 
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Run Gold Bar Rim aka "Trifecta", better trail then Crack "n" Back lots of fun stuff on the trail before you get to the crack. Plus you get the crack too

Do you mean Golden Spike is better than Crack n Back? Crack n Back is essentially Gold Bar Rim so your sentence is contradictory. :what:

It would be a rare occurrence that a first timer to Moab would be on the Golden Spike run. It would be at the discretion of the trail leader.
 
Would my truck fall under the same category as this thread? I have been following it.
 
Would my truck fall under the same category as this thread? I have been following it.

One difference being how much shake down you can get in before the event. That may steer you to slightly more conservative trail choices. Aside from that your truck should be capable of running the same trails I mentioned.
 
Yeah yeah the all three in one run.

First time in Moab running that trail would not be a big deal. It is all about making memories. Chances are he would make a bunch.
 
Would my truck fall under the same category as this thread? I have been following it.

Your truck hasn't managed to make it through the Jackstand gatekeeper yet. That's the toughest trail of all. Once you get through that and get some seat time worry about what trails you can run.
 
Do you mean Golden Spike is better than Crack n Back? Crack n Back is essentially Gold Bar Rim so your sentence is contradictory. :what:

It would be a rare occurrence that a first timer to Moab would be on the Golden Spike run. It would be at the discretion of the trail leader.

Yeah yeah the all three in one run.

First time in Moab running that trail would not be a big deal. It is all about making memories. Chances are he would make a bunch.

Your truck hasn't managed to make it through the Jackstand gatekeeper yet. That's the toughest trail of all. Once you get through that and get some seat time worry about what trails you can run.

Since I sort of was the instigator of the Golden Spike rules that started a few years ago I will step in and try to get my point of view through.

I my experience with the Former Trifecta, This was a name started early in BB history because of it being three trails, the "old timers" usually didn't have issues and the newer guys did. Then most of the issue that were seen stemmed from fresh rebuilds and or very inexperienced drivers. We began to see trail times consistently in the 12-14+ hour range on this trail. This wasn't a huge deal if you were on the trail as you knew what was going on and were getting the experience. However from the promoter (Scott Riley) and rescue (usually a group of the standard players one of those being myself) side of things there were issues. There were times that we spent several hours trying to figure out where the group was, if they needed help, if they needed parts etc. There were times that we ended up coming to help and bring parts etc.

While none of that was a deal breaker the years of that going on wore all of us down and Scott was about ready to drop the run. I said I would make it my baby and own it good or bad. Two things that I put in place that I feel greatly aid in the trail being successful the last two years are the limited number of vehicles and making an effort to not take either new builds or newbies on the run.

This isn't supposed to be an insult or put down on you or your vehicle. It's meant for you and everyone else to have a good time, and finding out that your front driveshaft pulls apart anytime you get on a ledge is an issue on this trail (yes this has happened). There are shorter trails that are way easier to deal with that sort of thing which seems to be typical of a new build. Second there is a certain amount of basic wheeling knowledge that is needed to be able to work your way through any of the trails. The Moab bump, how to carry momentum without bashing through things and tearing up parts, where to drive fast and where to slow down. This knowledge only comes from driving and wheeling. Trying to get this knowledge and experience is best suited to shorter trails. NOTE; I didn't say easier just shorter.

I tried to set the trail "rules" which I will say are guidelines at this point so that it wasn't an elitist run. The last two years we have had two rigs with 35" tires, one of which was open front successfully complete the trail. Last year we had to stop and weld on one rig. I think the smaller more experienced group made a huge difference in that we didn't have to deal with huge down time and we really covered ground fast when we were moving. I had zero issue letting the open dif rig come last year because I knew that his wheeling experience and time behind the wheel would allow him to work his way through and we had a small enough group that if we had to give him a tug here and there is wasn't a big issue.

Muddysub I don't know you, or your vehicle very well but if you spend time doing shake down runs and enjoying your vehicle for the summer like it sounds like you plan to do, I would say you would be a good candidate to throw your hat in the ring. My example early on in the rule making was that if Shannon Campbell showed up to BB I wouldn't say to him no you can't run that trail your new to the event. His credentials speak for themselves obviously.

Babaganosh I really think you need to get the truck running and driving before you can even consider this trail. Final registration isn't for several months. Driving the truck out of the garage and onto a trailer and trying to break it in on Golden Spike won't happen. You have good help right now and if you get it running and driving with some decent wheeling time under your belt then talk with the trail leader.

I know there is some disagreement with my "idea" and specifics but in the end this is also set up to allow the specific year trail leader/leaders to make the final call.
 
I completely agree with you Brandon, I plan on doing the easy trails but with the description of them I can't make out which ones are. I don't mind a little crawling but don't want to bash the truck up. My limits are going to be very small, the truck will be able to out wheel me as a driver. I'm hoping to get a few runs under my belt beforehand but time will tell.
 

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