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Never been to Moab. What is my truck capable of?

Babaganoosh said:
I completely agree with you Brandon, I plan on doing the easy trails but with the description of them I can't make out which ones are. I don't mind a little crawling but don't want to bash the truck up. My limits are going to be very small, the truck will be able to out wheel me as a driver. I'm hoping to get a few runs under my belt beforehand but time will tell.
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If I were you I would do the following

Newby run on Friday

Crack and Back Saturday, This run catches the end of the Golden Spike trail and IMO has the best concentration of classic Moab wheeling that is totally doable in the average BB attendees vehicle.

Hells Revenge on Sunday. This isn't a real challenging trail but has more classic Moab wheeling and some really nice views. can be made short of long depending on your tiredness level.

For someone with a bit more experience you can do either BFE easier trails on Friday and behind the rocks on Saturday.

I always leave Sunday open myself as I've found I just want to pack and go typically. Sometimes I hit a trail on the way out of town but most times I just try to get headed home.
 
kgblazerfive said:
Run Gold Bar Rim aka "Trifecta", better trail then Crack "n" Back lots of fun stuff on the trail before you get to the crack. Plus you get the crack too.
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Somehow I missed this comment, thanks for bringing it to my attention Scott and Brandon. As the sucker that volunteered to lead the Golden Spike run this year I will say that I absolutely do not want someone that has never been to Moab on this run. I also don't want anyone that hasn't been wheeling their rig with few/no changes for a year on it and pretty much all the other rules that Brandon put in place the last couple years while I was tail gunning.

I have seen a lot of stupid breaks out on the rocks. When you're 5 miles from pavement, it's not a big deal, when you're 20 miles from pavement then it becomes a big problem.

I've run Golden Spike every time I've gone to Moab, I've seen suspension mounts ripped off the frame (multiple times), 2 ignition modules fry on the same trip, busted differentials, a broken motor mount causing a broken fuel line resulting in fuel being sprayed all over a hot engine (luckily no fire), busted hub locks, busted driveshafts, busted axle shafts, dead fuel pumps and numerous other issues that I can't think of off the top of my head.

I don't know what it is about this trail, but it breaks trucks, it's not particularly difficult, but stuff breaks. I know it's inevitable that something is going to break on someones rig while we're out. I've seen incredibly well built rigs fail out there because of something stupid, something that never happens but it did out there. What I don't want is someone that doesn't know their truck or how to drive it properly in Moab to be on the run.

I suppose I should start a new thread with rules for the Golden Spike trail.
 
miniwally said:
If I were you I would do the following

Newby run on Friday

Crack and Back Saturday, This run catches the end of the Golden Spike trail and IMO has the best concentration of classic Moab wheeling that is totally doable in the average BB attendees vehicle.

Hells Revenge on Sunday. This isn't a real challenging trail but has more classic Moab wheeling and some really nice views. can be made short of long depending on your tiredness level.

For someone with a bit more experience you can do either BFE easier trails on Friday and behind the rocks on Saturday.

I always leave Sunday open myself as I've found I just want to pack and go typically. Sometimes I hit a trail on the way out of town but most times I just try to get headed home.
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Sounds like a great plan, thanks for the advice.
 
Quick note, when you do the "Crack and back" run you get to the crack and usually cross, eat lunch/hang out as the view from there is awesome then cross back over and head out the way you came.

Last year we met up with the crack and back group just after lunch running the Golden Spike trail. I'm not going to say last year was the fastest that you can do Golden Spike but I will say I think that it was a decent pace to take in the surroundings and still get out for dinner.
 
I'll be showing up on Thursday, depending on how it works out and what trail the night run sounds fun.
 
miniwally said:
Last year we met up with the crack and back group just after lunch running the Golden Spike trail. I'm not going to say last year was the fastest that you can do Golden Spike but I will say I think that it was a decent pace to take in the surroundings and still get out for dinner.
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My personal best was 5 hours asphalt to asphalt. We even stopped for pictures a few times and had lunch at The Crack. There were only 3 of us in the group and it wasn't a Blazer Bash event. We weren't rushing at all, we were just cruising along. That was the trip that made me realize that it shouldn't take 14 hours to do that trail :dunno:
 
r3dd0g said:
My personal best was 5 hours asphalt to asphalt. We even stopped for pictures a few times and had lunch at The Crack. There were only 3 of us in the group and it wasn't a Blazer Bash event. We weren't rushing at all, we were just cruising along. That was the trip that made me realize that it shouldn't take 14 hours to do that trail :dunno:
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I just looked and we did it in 6:55 last year. I kind of think that pace was a little over the top for a BB group, I remember having the conversation that we should take it a bit easier as we were moving maybe a bit too fast and were going to break something. Still an 8hr time frame for that trail should be somewhat reasonable pace.
 
Thanks for the perspective Brandon.



Ben it is hard to judge trails until you've run a few and have a point of reference. I remember when my wife and I first started wheeling some of the trail ratings sounded way more intimidating than they ended up being.



Generally I try to list the trails on the schedule in the order of easiest to hardest. So the first trail listed is the easiest. Obviously "easy" and "hard" are relative terms.



We would rather people didn't switch trails after registration but we also don't forbid it. So you may feel a change is in order after the first day which is okay as long as you're not trying to jump on the Golden Spike. That would require a conversation with the trail leader. As long as you've at least paid for the day, switching trail is okay.
 
Just realized I posted my previous reply before reading a second page of replies. Brent, thanks for weighing in as well.
 
miniwally said:
I just looked and we did it in 6:55 last year. I kind of think that pace was a little over the top for a BB group, I remember having the conversation that we should take it a bit easier as we were moving maybe a bit too fast and were going to break something. Still an 8hr time frame for that trail should be somewhat reasonable pace.
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That 6:55 was with an added trail and 45 minutes for welding my front end back in. I did not think we were in a hurry. I thoroughly enjoyed that day.

I have been called a liar when telling people about the time.
 
I would really like to do Golden Spike, but I'm positive I couldn't go at the pace most are accustom to.

Trying new trails this year would be awesome. It's nice getting some opinions from those I've wheeled with, even if it was just once.
 
After wheeling with you last year B3 I think you would be fine on Golden Spike. Your rig seems well put together and you know how to drive it.
 
ktmoutfront said:
That 6:55 was with an added trail and 45 minutes for welding my front end back in. I did not think we were in a hurry. I thoroughly enjoyed that day.

I have been called a liar when telling people about the time.
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I think the one thing to keep in mind is that there is a break away group of us that like to move faster and enjoy doing the trails at a quicker pace.

I know and understand that when your talking my buggy, your blazer, Brent (Reddog) etc we wheel differently and enjoy going about wheeling in a different way but our vehicles are a bit farther along in the progression of building than others. We're also spoiled in that we've been wheeling alot so some of the areas that Brent3 may see as an obstacle we just drive over it cause we've seen that same type of thing 1,000 times before.

I don't want to push away anyone especially at this event, I've always seen BB as a teeth cutting event for a lot of guys. Hell I remember, sort of, Scott Rileys first year. He had a bit of a tough time but came back better prepared, and got things figured out. There are countless more stories like that one and now those guys are out promoting events, helping others and leading trails etc. This is what BB is about.

It's nice to see that we always have a nice selection of vehicles for everyone to look at. The newer guys can see well built vehicles that they want to strive for and honestly I get to see some vehicles that I kind of wish I owned for the basic simplicity of them.

This thread has turned into the quasi Golden Spike trail thread but I think it also helps others understand some of the basic mentality of the leadership.I'm not talking just Scott as the promoter but those of us that have been trail leaders for several years. I want everyone to enjoy themselves and run trails that are just above what they think their capable of but are fully within their vehicles capabilities. I do think it's a huge shock to everyone their first time to Moab and they see first hand how steep some of the terrain is and they just idle up it.
 
When I posted this I was hoping that more people besides myself would benefit from it. This definitely has given me an insight into the leadership's responsibilities and mentality for this event. I completely understand where you guys are coming from with driver/vehicle requirements on specific trails, that's fine with me. I know I'm a newbie to Moab so I'm fully expecting to run the easier trails and come back next year for more.

If anyone else is in the same situation as me, post up and ask the more experienced ones.
 
This has helped me to narrow it down. This will be our first time out, and my son has little to no experience. I am no expert either. Love the discussion.
 
I'm registered for BB15! Doing the newbie run, crack n back and hell's revenge. Looking forward to it all!
 
1985 m1009. should have 4" lift and 33s by september. other than that, stock. any other m1009 owners with advise?
 
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