sandracer799
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sled_dog said:
The goofy tip itself is not the DPF, The tip is to help cool the exhaust as it comes out. The DPF is farther up in the exhaust almost like a cat.
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The goofy tip itself is not the DPF, The tip is to help cool the exhaust as it comes out. The DPF is farther up in the exhaust almost like a cat.
roadnotca
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Sort of like batteries in a hybrid.sled_dog said:
Jishory
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roadnotca said:Sort of like batteries in a hybrid.
i think the batteries in hybrids will last a hell of alot longer then the particulate filter
roadnotca
3/4 ton status
Probably too early to tell.
These NiMH batteries generally come with a standard warranty of 8 years or 80,000 miles. In California, if a new hybrid qualifies as an Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emission Vehicle, the state requires the warranty on that battery pack to be 10 years or 150,000 miles.
These NiMH batteries generally come with a standard warranty of 8 years or 80,000 miles. In California, if a new hybrid qualifies as an Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emission Vehicle, the state requires the warranty on that battery pack to be 10 years or 150,000 miles.
Which is why most of the newer hybrids use the Li-Ion chemistry. NiMH aren't known for that kind of longevity. It's also why earlier hybrids & pre EV's were a lease-only deal. The mfgs knew that the batteries wouldn't live long enough.
sled_dog
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Sorry if I confused you, I am fully aware of where the DPF is and what it looks like. I was noting that the tips serve a purpose. They(liek someone noted with the Duramax ones) act as a venturi and cool off the exhaust gases and the tip as they exit the exhaust. Otherwise the exhaust coming out would just be scorching hot. Thats why Ford says chrome tips are a no-no, they'd interfere with the venturi.sandracer799 said:
Also, I don't believe anyone uses "an extra injector after the turbo", they just fire the injectors on the exhaust stroke. Cummins has been doing this since they went to the Common Rail injection to help quiet the engine and lower emissions, everyone has just had to do it to a much more strict guideline now.
I showed some of the guys at work this video, they feel confident something else took a major crap too. Due to the noise that thing was making.
So how is this DPF helping emmissions, sounds to me like it just collects them over time and burns them out all at once.... on the highway through a really hot exhaust
runamok151
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and if this new diesel is so low in sulfur content, why do the new diesels need the dpfs? the gov't is claiming the new diesel fuel will save 20% of emmissions on the last gen. engines. well it's cost me about 24% in mileage in my '05 dodge. so i guess i'm only making about 4% more emmissions to go the same distance
Drey said:I wonder what happens when you get farmer pickups that still burning Red Fuel in their diesels
And dont bother tellin me thats illegal because I know over a handful of guys who do
It's fuel with red dye in it, nothing different. I hate the fact that I have to run red ULSD through my 855 Cummins, among other older diesel engines, when I shouldn't have to.
bigjimmy82 said:
It's basically a catilyctic converter on steroids. It burns spent fuel at a very hot temperature helping to completely burn all material up.
runamok151 said:and if this new diesel is so low in sulfur content, why do the new diesels need the dpfs? the gov't is claiming the new diesel fuel will save 20% of emmissions on the last gen. engines. well it's cost me about 24% in mileage in my '05 dodge. so i guess i'm only making about 4% more emmissions to go the same distance
You have stumbled onto the bullcrap of all this. YOu basically can't get an answer for your question, and you even get the hint that they want you to shut up with it when you ask this to air polluton, or EPA employees.
The question being, if I'm burning a quarter more of this supposed "clean fuel" compared to more efficient "dirty" fuel, but is only supposed to be 20% cleaner than the "dirty" fuel.... then how is this helping the pollution problem, besides the fact that this takes more money out of my pocket and eats up my equipment's fuel system parts....???
Now, if you want my opinion on the matter, I think we have a bunch of greeny dumba$$es making dumba$$ decisions.
And, if you want my opinion on how to fix the pollution problem, forget trying to make something do what it doesn't want to do. Which is to make an internal combustion engine that runs off petroleum to put out nearly any emmissions. It won't work, emmissions is part of it's design....
Spend more time building something new, push hydrogen fuel cell technology, hybrid, full electric, a new idea...anything! The main thing is to not screw up an internal combustion engine with useless garbage, just come out with something that is emmissions friendly and makes older internal combustion obsolete!
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4by4bygod
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rjfguitar said:
DPF's just collect the soot..and they'll plug up for sure, eventually.. just when depends on if they are active or passive regeneration, severity of duty cycle, exhaust temp, correct oil use, etc.. if everything isn't just right, they won't regenerate by themselves and have to be removed and cleaned out in a special machine.
a device called an oxidation catlayst acts more like your car's converter.. you get a bit less PM reduction with those, but they're not as "fussy" in the real world. they're better suited to things like school buses and trash trucks. dpf's are good on OTR trucks.
4by4bygod
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runamok151 said:and if this new diesel is so low in sulfur content, why do the new diesels need the dpfs? the gov't is claiming the new diesel fuel will save 20% of emmissions on the last gen. engines. well it's cost me about 24% in mileage in my '05 dodge. so i guess i'm only making about 4% more emmissions to go the same distance
ULSD by itself only reduces PM emissions by about 5% compared to low sulfur fuel.. the ULSD is needed, because the sulfur will poison the DPF's and DOC's.. in other words, ulsd is just an enabling technology so the downstream pollution devices can do their job.
W7NB
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Well, Ford went from engines that blow head gaskets and crack heads to flamethrowers. Big improvement... I guess.
Will be interesting to see how badly the new Toyota full size trucks eat into the big three.
I'm in the market for an 06 dodge with a 6 speed. I figure if I run it 200K plus like my last two it will be my last tow rig before I retire, build a cabinin the woods somewhere and say fook all this nonsense. Just my K5, my boat and a nice lake
Will be interesting to see how badly the new Toyota full size trucks eat into the big three.
I'm in the market for an 06 dodge with a 6 speed. I figure if I run it 200K plus like my last two it will be my last tow rig before I retire, build a cabinin the woods somewhere and say fook all this nonsense. Just my K5, my boat and a nice lake
4by4bygod
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sled_dog said:
Sled, if the delaership wanted to do it, they could just take a sample of the fuel, and send it to an analysis lab.. the places that analyze oil, also analyze fuel and sulfur is something they can check for..I have it done all the time..
also, you may not know this ( or maybe you do, I don't know ) but anyone running a truck with DPF's should be sure to only use oil specified as CJ -4, which has had the sulfur, phosphorus and zinc removed. these ingredients will clog up a dpf pretty quickly.. there's a lot of CI - 4 oils out there still, so it pays to be aware.
Anyone have any smores.
sandawgk5
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Not sure if it is normal but that thing sounds like ****. I hope they get it figured out as F*rd is the only one to make a "truck" that has the GVRW that I am looking for. Not good, not good .
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sled_dog
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Aware, but it is cost prohibitive for us to send out samples. And in a business where the goal is always "in and out" its time prohibitive too. Besides, we wouldn't want to pay for it, and try and make Ford pay for the stuff they HAVE to, its fun.4by4bygod said:
Aware of the CJ-4 oil thing. We already switched all our 15W-40 to CJ-4 before the release of the 6.4 to be ready. So all 6.0Ls, 7.3Ls and any other Diesel that wonders through(or my Saturn since I run it on the same 15w-40) gets the CJ-4 oil. One time our parts department actually planned ahead
4by4byGod is right, the ULSD is a lot about letting the new emissions technology work. Think back to the 70s with unleaded fuel and catylitic converters. Same concept. Yes the fuel itself is less polluting but it also lets a new emissions tech work as well.
