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New Member... Looking to purchase...

asking price seems high. do a search on ebay. find similar trucks at lower prices, print them all out and take them with you as examples of the market price of the truck.

As to the 350 vs 305 situation, for a truck, ive never understood why the 305 gets such a bad rap. for those model years it should even be TBI. Keep in mind if you find a good 305 truck you can mod it up with cams, heads, exhaust, intakes, and all that.... then buy yourself a shortblock 350 for $1000 bucks later on and swap all the 305 kit onto it if the 305 still dosnt do it for you.

I will echo Rusty's advice, take along someone who isnt in love with the truck, and knows about cars. My brother failed to do this, and bought a 1973 bronco, with new paint, a completely redone interior and "crate" motor. bought it for 14k... put probably 10-15k more into it so far. It had a junkyard motor with uneven compression, shoddy welds at the body seams, rust in the bottom of the tub, wiring problems, fuel delivery problems, etc. etc. but even i have to admit, it was one beautifully polished turd, even i didnt expect the issues weve had with it so far.

ask if the guy has any service records on it, if you can pull up the carpet to check the floorboards, spend the money and get a carfax report on it, etc. etc. just cover the bases, and still.... $4500 is a bit much. if he's not willing to budge, he's not a serious seller.
 
Thanks...

I am willing to spend some coin on my purchase but I do want it worth it. If anyone knows any quality examples (preferably around the south) I would be willing to travel for the right one.

Yes, in the two days I have been a member you have provided me with more info than other forums.
Thanks for that!
 
I spent $3k on my beast... 4Hi didn't werk.

Wish I woulda spent $2k..... BUT,

The body/frame are PERFECT... No rust.
 
got my 1986 M1009 for $1500, typical rust in rockers, rear wheel wells, and rear floorboards by the tailgate. only recently did the tailgate start cracking by the corners.

course i probably poured $2000 to $3000 into it in body work, rebuilt alternators, brakes, etc.
 
I would suggest what has already been suggested. Check out E-Bay and Craigslist. I would say dont worry about where it is, just get the best truck for your money.

Out here on the west coast, you can get a very nice K5 for that money, no rust.

What is a plane ticket? $ 300.00 (might be worth the flight)

I paid $ 470.00 for my 86 M1009, but I have one that was mistreated, lots of dings and dents in the hood and fenders. I have minor rust in the tailgate. I only had to put in a new seal into the TH400 and the rest are mods. (spend about 1500 on mods so far)
 
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Sorry but I was reading my way through this thread and got a kick out of this comment, way to put the ol foot in the ol mouth. I'm 24 and a Journeyman Diesel Mechanic for Union Pacific Rail Road. Does this mean I should take someone older who probably knows less then I do, haha.

Honestly, I hope your taking someone with you, dont know how old you are, but if your under 25, take your dad or a mechanic with you. Its too easy to get caught up in all the "cool" stuff like shiney paint and lifts, etc.
 
Ha!

Yeah, I'm 29, which is old enough to know that I don't know it all...

I assume those comments by "older" people are made because of experiences they have had with younger dumba**es about what they do or do not know.

I appreciate the comment, the guy just does not want me to get taken...
 
Actually age has a lot to do with it. Younger people make mistakes, and even a "Journeyman Diesel Mechanic" doesn't know everything. Every vehicle on the road is different, and each has trouble areas that aren't always known to everyone.

In no way is badmix saying that only young people make mistakes, but plenty of young people have rolled through this site and made mistakes by buying something they regretted, and his suggestion was to make sure you have someone without a vested interest in the vehicle. That simple suggestion usually benefits just about anyone looking to get the most from their money. If I go along with a buddy to check out a vehicle I have no interest in buying, I am far more likely to notice things that may be overlooked by my buddy who does want to buy it.
 
Welcome to the site. I find myself prowling quite often.

Price seems high to me also. Would really have to see it upfront though. I would say wait and make sure its what you want. :waytogo:

My search for mine in Alaska was limited as I wasn't going out of state. You living in what we call the "lower 48" have such a wide horizon of choices.:woot:
 
Actually age has a lot to do with it. Younger people make mistakes, and even a "Journeyman Diesel Mechanic" doesn't know everything. Every vehicle on the road is different, and each has trouble areas that aren't always known to everyone.

In no way is badmix saying that only young people make mistakes, but plenty of young people have rolled through this site and made mistakes by buying something they regretted, and his suggestion was to make sure you have someone without a vested interest in the vehicle. That simple suggestion usually benefits just about anyone looking to get the most from their money. If I go along with a buddy to check out a vehicle I have no interest in buying, I am far more likely to notice things that may be overlooked by my buddy who does want to buy it.

Good point.
 
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Here's what I do when looking for a K5:

First and foremost, get the VIN and run a CarFax. Get their monthly plan, it's well worth it.

1. Demand pictures before you even go and look at it. If they seller makes excuses and doesn't take photos, chances are there is a good reason - the truck probably has issues. Save yourself the headache and move on.

The pictures I ask for are:

> All sides of the truck, the hood, the roof
> Door panels
> Dash, gauges, glove box, stereo
> Both front and rear seats, including the mounting frames for the front seats (rust)
> Floors, removing floor mats
> Headliner
> Cargo area
> Tailgate when opened
> Hinges for tailgate, both from outside AND from underneath (rust)
> Inside rear wheel wells, pointing forward (rear passenger kick panels) and backwards (towards tailgate) (rust)
> Engine - top and oil pan (leaks)
> Transmission and transfer case
> Exhaust
> Tires

Yes, it's a lot of photos, but it can save you from making a mistake.

2. When you see it, check everything. All the lights, horn, wipers, radio, A/C and heat, air coming from correct vents, dome lights, gauges, windows, power locks, tailgate window key, all seat belts, seat recline, tilt wheel, 4x4 shift lever, EVERYTHING that performs a function.

3. Inspect underneath for any major rust. Pay special attention to UNDER the tailgate where the hinges mount to the body and in the rear wheel wells for the rear passenger kick panels which rust out.

With your hands, feel for any moisture in the carpet. Check the edges by doors, under the seats, and so forth. Water = rust. Stains can also be telling.

4. Feel the header BEFORE you start it. Is it cold? If not, then the seller probably started it right before you got there. That means this truck will not start in anything other than ideal conditions.

Check the coolant before you start it. Is it green/yellow/orange? Or is it rusty/black/oily?

Check the computer codes before you start it. You can do this easily, here is the list - I just printed out the "generic" section.

http://www.troublecodes.net/GM/

5. Start it. Mine takes 1-2 seconds to fire up. Quickly look for any smoke coming from the exhaust. Smoke means bad valve seals and a valve job for you. Put your hand on the air cleaner or valve cover. Can you feel the engine vibrating? If so, you have a tune up or mechanical issue. It should be pretty smooth at an idle. Smell the exhaust after it's warmed up. You should not be able to smell much of anything. If you smell gas, either the catalytic converter is not working, missing, or the engine is burning too much gas.

6. Drive it. Get it up to 65+ MPH (legally). Does it track straight? If you have to turn the wheel more than 1" to feel the direction change, something is wrong with the front end. Could be an alignment, could be ball joints or a number of issues. Make sure there are no high speed vibrations. Make sure it does not sway or drift or otherwise handle oddly (or unsafely!)

On your test drive, turn the radio off and out the windows up so you can listen for ticks/pops/rattles or other noises that would indicate trouble. LISTEN TO THE TRUCK. It will tell you what is going on.

7. Brakes. Do they squeak? Do they pull? Do they work? Does the pedal pulsate? All problems. Inspect the back side of each tire. Do the tires have little streaks on them? This is leaking brake fluid. Expect to replace parts or experience unexpected wheels locking up if drum brakes. Find a safe place with NO ONE BEHIND YOU and NOTHING AROUND TO HIT and do a 35mpg emergency stop. Does it stop in a straight line? Do any wheels lock up? Does it stop quickly (for a beastly truck!) enough?

8. Accelerate. Does it have good power? Does it shift smoothly? Check the mirror - is there gray (oil), white (coolant/water), or black (gas) smoke? If so, a tune up or major work may needed.

9. A dirty engine is what I call an "honest" engine. If there is a little goop/dust/dirt on it, great - the seller is not hiding anything. If the engine is sparkling clean (and the rest of the truck is not) or it looks like it has been cleaned VERY recently, the owner is probably hiding some sort of leak. Also check the tranny, transfer case, and differential covers for leaks.

10. Do a compression test. While a leak down test is better, a compression test can be performed quickly and easily, and will give you a good enough idea if there is a problem with the engine.

11. Transmission. If it's an auto, remove the dipstick and inspect the oil. Google for a chart of what it should look like (clear = good, black = bad). Does it smell like it's burnt? That is a sign of potential problems. Power steering fluid can also be inspected.

12. Tires. Check the date codes. Google how to do that, it's easy. If you do, you will find out those "great" tires are probably 10 years old. Check for mis-matched tires.

Check for uneven wear or cupping. You can Google tire wear and get some nice guides. That will tell you if it's out of alignment or needs parts.

Also check the shocks. If they are covered with rust, they probably need to be replaced.

13. I look under the hood and dash for missing/added wires. Did someone drill a hole through the firewall to hook up a 12v power line for his CB? Did he use a grommet, and fuse it, or is the wire going to cut through and start a fire? Are there hacked wires? Missing vacuum lines? I prefer unmolested trucks.

14. Lift kits. Many trucks are lifted. Be sure the job was done right. A loose bolt or bad parts can ruin your day. If the kit was not designed specifically for the truck, or was pieced together, there may be a problem with driving dynamics. Be sure you don't have a death wobble situation or the likes. Personally, I won't buy a truck with a lift kit, as I don't need one for my use.

15. Body alignment. Do the doors close without striking the body? Are the fenders perfectly aligned to the body? Or do they have larger gaps or touch the body? The truck may have been wrecked. Bring a fridge magnet and stick it to various body panels. If it falls off, there is Bondo.

16. Odometer. On pre-1989 trucks (I think) the odometer is only 5 digits. That means you will see LOTS of trucks where the seller says "Only 72k original miles!" Bull! Check the carpet and seats. If they do not look brand new, the truck likely has 172k to 272k miles, probably the later and not the former... A CarFax can help expose that kind of mis-information (I call it lying.)

17. Recent inspection. Does is pass state inspection? What about emissions testing? When did it pass? Is there a sticker/form that proves it? If not, then the truck likely cannot pass inspection without work, which is why it is being sold.

18. Floor mats, dash mats and seat covers. Remove them to see what horrible problems are being hidden.

Personally, my experience has almost always been that the seller is hiding something from you. Hopefully it's nothing major, but usually I don't trust everything the seller says. If he can't prove it with a receipt, form, or visually prove it, assume it is NOT true. If he says the engine was rebuilt 30k miles ago, ask if he has the receipt. He probably doesn't. New tires? Look at the date code. New exhaust? Check for rust.

I find it FAR more informative to look over the truck WITHOUT speaking to the seller at the same time. That allows me to think, concentrate, and find out everything I want to know. Then if I have questions, I will ask later.

I hope that helps.
 
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wow!

Now that's what I was looking for.

I have never done a compression test myself, where can I get the gague and how is it properly done?
 
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