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NOOOO SCORE! 6bt cummins. *setback post #35*

turn in the fuel screw til your about at run-a-away, back your idle down as far as it will go and still idle normal after the fuel screw adjustment, rotate your fuel pin, turn in your smoke screw, 3200 governor spring for 20$, your engine has the Bosch VE Rotary pump on it, truck makes 160 horsepower and 400 ft-lbs of torque stock, get rid of the factory air box and just run the filter mount with an open filter, drain the tranny and refill the Getrag with an extra quart of oil over stock......ive got a 90 model and a 1993 model (and a 96 p-pump truck), they are fun to drive.....here is the link to me explaining how to turn up the pump.....

http://coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251078

anything and everything you need to know about this truck just ask.....i got the answers.....
 
I was actually waiting for you to chime in and have been following the post you linked. I would just like to turn it up as much as possible without too much soot or too high EGTs.

I was also going to ask how do you hook up a tach on a cummins?

I read somewhere that if you take the pump open under the diafram that you can set the fuel pin to the part of the shaft with the most taper letting it open the most in other words. Do you happen to have a pic of that so I can better understand? even a drawing would help if you actualy understand what Im talking about. There was also something about a throttle stop that I havent figured out yet. Something to the effect of adjusting it in to get even more throttle. I have been reading EVERYTHING I can before messing with it too much.

Also I have conflicting info about head bolt strenth. Some say with the stock turbo they are fine but if you change to a 14M or 16mm compressor you need to upgrade to head studs.

The other side of the fence says you CAN stress the head bolts with the stock turbo. So witch one is correct?

This is my first time turning up a diesel. I had one of my 6.2's turned up enough to get black smoke but a friend did that for me. I know I can run it too rich without much problems as long as I dont do LONG pulls and get the EGTs too high but Im more afraid of popping head bolts or running it too lean so Im causious because I dont really know.
 
I have more LOL tell me about the collar on the fuel screw. I actually am working nights so I wont mess with it until my bro and me can be there in case it tried to run away.
 
i was actually waiting for you to chime in and have been following the post you linked. I would just like to turn it up as much as possible without too much soot or too high egts.

I was also going to ask how do you hook up a tach on a cummins?

on 91.5-93 intercooled trucks there is a wiring harness under the dash, on your non-intercooled truck, sadly no, you have to either hook one through the alternator or run magnetic pickups on the damper, you really dont need a tach unless your running it really hard, the truck governs itself to 2750 rpms stock, you can get the 3200 governor spring and put it in and that will help alot (a p-pump cummins will turn 5,000 rpm's with just fueling mods and a dampner so dont worry about spinning it to hard).....if your never going to tow with it and you put the 3200 spring in it you will be fine, but if you are going to tow i would recommend a pyrometer and keep it under 1200 degrees and dont hold it at 1200 for more than a few seconds.....

i read somewhere that if you take the pump open under the diafram that you can set the fuel pin to the part of the shaft with the most taper letting it open the most in other words. Do you happen to have a pic of that so i can better understand? Even a drawing would help if you actualy understand what im talking about.

if you look at my link, it shows your afc (air-fuel control) housing in the first two pictures, that is the fuel pin going down the middle in grey, you will see the notch in it and the little red pin riding on it, that is how the deepest part of the notch should face, towards the front of the truck, if you read the green words it will explain how to do it......once you get inside you will realize what its talking about.....its very simple and only takes a few minutes to do......ive had people that have never touched an engine in their lives tell me it was easy, so......

there was also something about a throttle stop that i havent figured out yet. Something to the effect of adjusting it in to get even more throttle. I have been reading everything i can before messing with it too much.

yes, its a piece of all-thread that runs through 2 ears on the driver side of the pump, it serves absolutely no purpose but to limit the throttle movement, i took mine completely out and threw it away.....you can also adjust the throttle shaft to get more fuel too but for you i dont recommend it....


also i have conflicting info about head bolt strenth. Some say with the stock turbo they are fine but if you change to a 14m or 16mm compressor you need to upgrade to head studs.

The other side of the fence says you can stress the head bolts with the stock turbo. So witch one is correct?

hardly....the 14 or 16 housing will not blow the head gasket, if it does blow it, it wasnt far from going anyways then, unless you step up to a bigger turbo then i would not worry about head studs.....

this is my first time turning up a diesel. I had one of my 6.2's turned up enough to get black smoke but a friend did that for me. I know i can run it too rich without much problems as long as i dont do long pulls and get the egts too high but im more afraid of popping head bolts or running it too lean so im causious because i dont really know.

rich and lean arent really conditions on a diesel....you either got too much fuel and not enough air, or too much air and not enough fuel.....it wont effect the performance like on a gasser unless you got a huge turbo and cant spool it, its pretty hard to put enough fuel to a ve truck to actually wash out the flame, and ive seen guys run insane amounts of nitrous before anything happened.....so dont worry about rich and lean conditions.....

i have more lol tell me about the collar on the fuel screw. I actually am working nights so i wont mess with it until my bro and me can be there in case it tried to run away.

the collar on your fuel screw is just a small piece of metal wrapped around the end of the fuel screw that keeps people from adjusting it, just peel it off, and loosen your lock nut and screw it in, but like stated make sure someone is there helping you.....
 
Thanx man Im sure my bro and I will have fun once we get time off at the same time.

i am very jealous you only gave 1000 for the truck.....the drivetrain is worth almost twice that.....heck if the bedside wasnt so bad (i would of put a flat bed on it HAHA) i wouldnt of seen giving 2K for it as a bad deal......my 90 model is being setup to drag race with and my 93 is my tow truck....here are pictures of my two....

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Woah the white one looks WAY nice. Thts an impressive bed on the other one lol. Are thy both 5 speeds?

The evil chevy side of me says get rid of all the dodge you can and put the cummins in a real truck HAHAHA. But seriously those are nice lookin trucks. This one we have is beat up. there is even cow fur where you can tell the cows have been rubbing up against it to scratch themselves.

See anything on it you want body wize? lol
 
Woah the white one looks WAY nice. Thats an impressive bed on the other one lol. Are they both 5 speeds?

The evil chevy side of me says get rid of all the dodge you can and put the cummins in a real truck HAHAHA. But seriously those are nice lookin trucks. This one we have is beat up. there is even cow fur where you can tell the cows have been rubbing up against it to scratch themselves.

See anything on it you want body wize? lol

NO, the white 90 aint that nice, thats just a really good picture with alot of sun glare lol, the bed on the 93 is a Western Hauler bed off a F550 ford that was cut down and installed on the truck by the guy i bought it off of, the 93 has 136K miles on it and has a newer tranny, alternator, TPS, ECM, and a few other things that made it worth the 4K i gave for it, the presious owner bought it from the original owner in 2001 and only put 15K miles on it from 2001 to about a month ago.....so i got a great deal, the 93 is a overdrive automatic with 4.10's and the 90 has over 200K on it, the odometer stopped at 120K and im sure that was a long time ago and it is a 3 speed automatic with 3.07's......they both are great trucks but like every truck make out there they got inherent flaws but they are getting fixed as soon as they arise......i really dont need and body pieces but ill take that engine if ya dont want it......:haha:

i would also recommend completely draining the tranny and refilling it with the proper fresh fluid and also over filling it with one quart extra, it makes the tranny lost ALOT longer.....
 
HOLLY CRAP!!!!!! *Deeeep breath* Ok turned the star wheel all the way down set the diaphram to the most taper, took the throttle stop out, took the collar off the fuel screw, Turned the fuel screw in until it went into run away, then backed it out 1/4 turn at a time until it didnt run away any more, and turned the smoke screw in as much as we could while still keeping the lock nut. *Deeeep breath* woo run on sentances are fun.

Anyway I figure that its the MOST we can get out of the stock parts (the 3200 spring isnt stock right?) unless there are other tricks we dont know about yet. So I took it for a little drive to see what it would do. I eased out the clutch got it up to about 15 MPH and cobbed it. It belched out a huge black cloud then the turbo spooled and I left about a 120ft of rubber on the road. I HAD NO IDEA! Thats a truck load of basically free power! It wasnt even a clutch drop, that was a rolling burn out. Im leary of popping the clutch due to the bad rep the trans has. I am literally blown away at the change in performance from just a few adjustments!

Now the bad: It still idles a bit high even after adjusting the idle screw in. Im sure its in far enough because its not touching. I can push the throttle in with my finger and make it idle normal but it doesnt want to return to idle by its self. Kinda like its a bit sticky. I was thinking about putting a bigger spring to pull it down to idle. But its not idleing way high I would guess 8-900 RPM. Its not too noticable just a bit higher than it did before we started tinkering with it. BY THE WAY the idle screw is the MOST difficult of the whole thing. Its just really hard to get to.

I thought I was stoked before now Im almost giddy. Im sure the neighbors HATE my guts by now.

Sorry for the novel. :haha:

P.S. the turbo lag was very minor, maybe a second and thats it!
 
put that 3200 spring in her for 20 bucks and spend 105 bucks on a DennyT pin and you will be really ready to roll.......the 3200 spring has a factory Bosch part number, but can be ordered from about any diesel shop online.....another thing you can do is take off the air box but leave the factory tube and plate that your air filter bolts too with the long stud, now you got a free open element air filter, you will be amazed how much this helps on cool nights cause of the cold air sucking around the head light.....i picked up 15 mph top speed on cool nights.....i bet she sounds awesome when you jump on it hard then let off, that turbo is probably nice and loud.....i know mine was when i straight piped it.....


i may have a power pin out before too long, i just got to get them cut at the machine shop.....sucks working in iraq and trying to do this stuff at home.....but my dad should be dropping it off this week to get done.....so ill report back in a few days about whats going on with it.....ill shoot you a free one for testing if i can get some.....





oh and this is only the beginning of the sickness, next you will be wanting injectors, then a turbo, then this, then that.......dude i make 90k a year and cant keep up my diesel habit on my two 1st gen dodges, let alone my 2nd gen dodge......
 
Its fun, But I have stopped fiddling with it. Focusing on getting the crew cab tiny steps closer to being ready.

BUT I have determined that It WILL need an exhaust brake. It has almost no resistance once you let off the throttle. That wont be very good going down steep grades off road.

WTF though? The price on exhaust brakes is INSANE! an air cylender and a cast iron butterfly valve is $900+? I will go on the hunt for cheap when the time comes I guess. Ebay or something has to have them cheaper.

Seams like ANYTHING diesel is way overpriced but Ill just have to deal with that.
 
all exhaust brakes are that expensive.....no matter the company, only a few build them and they got the market cornered......i know i want to put a lockup converter in my 93 and an exhaust brake for towing but i aint going to spend 900 on just the brake unless i can find one used for a decent price......

actually it depends on what parts your looking at and where you get it.....remember alot of this stuff is built alot stronger than gas engine stuff because it has to take the abuse of the diesel plus it has to last for 200,000+ miles, not like a gasser where it only has to last 30 or 40 thousand......
 
I've got a Denny T stage 2 pin and a 366 spring sitting right here on my desk waiting to get put in a '93 model motor that's going in my CUCV. :D I swapped on a '94 model WH1C turbo, I'm getting some 100 HP injectors and a low pressure, piston style lift pump. Should be right about 300 hp when I'm done. A nice upgrade from the 155 HP of the 6.2 :eek1:
 
So the kid my bro was dealing with sold us the dodge not knowing it belonged to his uncle. So he came and got the truck back and gave the money back.
:mad::mad::mad::mad:

However He claims that his brother has a 96 dodge with a cummins that has a bad trans. He said that his bro owes him money and hes gunna just ask for the 96 dodge instead of the money. If that happens he said he would just give us the 96 dodge because he feels bad about the previous deal falling through, and hes not sure on how well it runs.

Apperantly the 89 was up for grabs when the grand father died and the uncle claimed it.

Sucky situation but It may turn out for the better if we end up with the 96 for free and it runs decent.
 
89-93 VE engines. second rate to 94-98 P7100 engines. especially the non-IC VE engines. JMO.


If you're out to get one. get a p-pump 12v and call it a day. don't bother with an ugly ass old man fuel miser 1st gen.
 
89-93 VE engines. second rate to 94-98 P7100 engines. especially the non-IC VE engines. JMO.


If you're out to get one. get a p-pump 12v and call it a day. don't bother with an ugly ass old man fuel miser 1st gen.

wait for it.... wait for it... he's taking the bait and...
 
Well I have wanted a 12v for this project but wasnt really trying very hard to get one.

IF the kid pulls through and gets us the 96 and it runs good I will put it in the 4 door. Im not counting on it though, if he dont follow through I guess the 6.2 will be going back in. Or a gas small block with propane or FI.

I dont know anything really about cummins engines so I dont know what years are more sought after. I think the 96 is still a 12v and should be intercooled?

All I can do its wait and see.

EDIT sorry demon I missed your post are you saying the 96 is a better engine anyway? I assume the P7100 is the "p-pump 12v" your refering to?
 
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