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more efficiant than a manuel

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What are you smoking, and where can I get some? What would make you think that ANY hydraulic coupling could beat having the wheels locked directly to the engine for efficiency?

Sorry, but you're dead wrong here. Even with a lockup torque converter, there is simply no way that an auto can be more efficient at putting engine power to the ground than a manual.

I'm not going to touch the manual vs. auto arguement, but I can tell you that I've had both and you don't know what you're missing if you're still stuck with a 700R4.

As to the 6.2 with a 700R4, you were on borrowed time when you put that setup together. I can't even count how many people I've known even with TH 400s that couldn't keep them together with Diesel engines. Diesel and automatic should definitely not be in the same sentence no matter what size truck we're referring to.
 
Hey Tim, thanks for bringing back a useless thread and asserting your ineptitude about the "superior" 6.2L.

The stock 6.2L has the torque characteristics of a stock 350 and the horsepower characteristics of a stock 305. We aren't talkin' ground-breaking blister-your-ass performance. We're talking about a heavy-as-hell expensive-as-hell-to-maintain dog that can't even get out of its own way. Sure, you can throw a turbocharter on it but then your gas mileage hits the shitter and you can now compete with a fool-injected 350... that gets the same gas mileage as the 6.2L--and can get out of its own way.

140hp/280ftlbs isn't something to get giddy over. In fact, the stock TBI 305 blows the doors off those figures. The sad part is that the 305HO actually beats the stock 6.2L. The only thing nice about the 6.2L is the peak torque is about two thousand RPM sooner and as flat as a TPI gasser.
 
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Diesel and automatic should definitely not be in the same sentence no matter what size truck we're referring to.

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uhh so the Allison tranny is shitty to /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
yet my brothers truck still killed a 700r4 or 2 in it's time
 
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more efficiant than a manuel

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Sorry, but you're dead wrong here. Even with a lockup torque converter, there is simply no way that an auto can be more efficient at putting engine power to the ground than a manual.



As to the 6.2 with a 700R4, you were on borrowed time when you put that setup together.

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Actually, your wrong! automatics are the most efficient transmissions for all around use. I own a trucking business, we are in the process of switching over to automatics in 80,000GVW vehicles. Almost all buses, delivery trucks,etc. are autos.Have you ever heard of torque multiplication. In rock crawling and other hardcore wheeling I would go with a manuel because of the obvious reasons. I would definantly have a manuel in a muscle car but not in a truck.

As for the 700R4 SHUT THE FUC-K UP! You don't know $hit! /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif
 
you are on dope if you think an auto with a torque converter is more efficient.
you are turning power into waste HEAT for one

buses and garbage trucks use autos because they cannot find skilled drivers to operate them, and I guarentee they do not pull down fuel economy numbers a manual tranny and a good operator will.
I would hate to work for you if you are forcing drivers to put up with any of the new auto shift junk.


700r4 is a total POS.
you are the one "who dont know $hit" and should "SHUT THE FUC-K UP!"
 
Autos take horsepower to run. Trannys actually waste hp just to turn them, and shift, and pump fluid. Not sure how much the 700 uses but 350s take 30-35 hp to run and 400s use 40hp. Maybe all us manual guys should just diconnect a spark plug wire and we will all be in the same boat. Dont you remember back in the day when you went to school? All the school buses were manual. They didnt start using autos until about 10-15 years ago when all the stay at home moms decided to get part time jobs driving schoolbuses. By the way, why are tractor trailers 99.9% of the time manual? I dont know, maybe you can tell me.
 
Because having that many gears in an auto would make it half as big as the truck itself. The new autos are using less and less power, but the nature of there design (torque converter slippage) consumes power. However, the speed and line pressures you can get from an auto give performance capabilities far exceeding even the most skilled driver with a manual... just ask any drag racer..... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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you are on dope if you think an auto with a torque converter is more efficient.
you are turning power into waste HEAT for one

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Thank you. I'm glad for once I'm not a complete dope.
 
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The stock 6.2L has the torque characteristics of a stock 350 and the horsepower characteristics of a stock 305.

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I'm sorry, but once again, you're incorrect. What tears up automatic trannies is heat, and because of the amount of torque that Diesels make towards the lower end of the torque curve, I don't think autos should be behind Diesels.

Even the Gutless 6.2 makes way more torque right off idle than any small block gasser available at that time. Before the tranny can even spin fast enough to cool itself, it's slipping and creating heat.

"Pull off a plug wire." /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif Maybe I'll try that tomorrow. Even with the posi in the rear my 38s won't stop spinning on wet pavement.

As to the Allison, ask any GM tech that works on these trucks what they think of them. There are MANY that were scattered under warranty, especially in 2001, the first year for that Allison. Same for the Ford 4R100 and the Dodge tranny that I can't remember the name for. Do some research if you wish.
 
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just ask any drag racer

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really? think again.
you must mean bracket racer, because ANY FAST car will have a manual tranny and a clutch.
 
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I would hate to work for you if you are forcing drivers to put up with any of the new auto shift junk.

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I'm with mj on this... auto's in semi's is like kicking the [I love Jeeps] out of a blind guy in a wheelchair.... pointless and cruel...
 
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You obviously dont know much about drag racing either. The reason they use automatics is because they are more consistent and only desire 2 gears. Which is why they use the powerglide. Not to mention the fact that they shift faster than possible with a manual, which I would want also, if my truck did 8 second 1/4 miles. All of us with manuals dont need to shift fast because we know what gear we need to use before we get to the obstacle, unlike the autos that you hear run in the mud. They floor it, it upshifts and bogs the motor, they downshift MANUALLY and scream the piss out of the motor. Gotta love when they put it in park on a hill too. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif BTW, whats the point of having an automatic if you always maually shift it anyway? To lazy to push an extra pedal with the foot your not using? You know all you guys with autos manually shift your tranny when you want some power/speed from your truck, which is understandable I used to do it too, this puts you in the same boat as us manual guys. Except we can choose excatly what rpm we want to launch at without changing converters, ours are stronger dollar for dollar, we have more HP at the wheels since its not wasted in the tranny, we dont have to wonder if we are going to make it home due to water in the tranny after we sink our truck up past the doors in muck, and we dont need to worry about breaking a cooler line or getting a big leak or denting/putting a hole in the pan, it works with or without fluid. I understand that you guys like to put it in drive and go, but to be honest, I have much more fun driving a manual. You also are in love with the overdrive. Im sorry but i will take a granny gear anyday over an overdrive. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
 
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Wow, this is really pathetic now. This is not a manual vs. auto arguement. This is a, "700R4 is junk so stop worrying about your NP 208 post."
 
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Drop it Tim! You have no right to say that a 700 is junk because they aren't. If you think everybody is on "borrowed time" than why are a few of us with built 700's doing just fine and have been for years. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif You don't have enough experience with that transmission to say that they are all junk.

I would like to call a truce with everyone about this "dead" subject and ask that no one responds to this useless thread anymore, this has turned into a rediculus argument that has lead no where but to more arguing.
 
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I have a lot of experience removing and replacing them in K1500s, K20s, Camaros, S10s, and my very own K10--although I was smart and didn't put another back in. In fact, my K10 spent more time as a 700 than as a 465, but I definitely will not be going back to a 700. Maybe to a TH 400 if I get lazy, but never back to a 700.
 
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if there ever was a waste of server space and bandwidth, this is it. Its retarded threads like this that bring a forum down, just look at the low quality of posts and all the a-holes at other forums where this stuff runs rampant. I wont mention any names (ahoy matey) but there are several. This thread should be deleted (and in my humble opinion, some users should be deleted too) and I for one am sorry for ever being a part of it. Where is the admin?

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uhh so the Allison tranny is shitty to

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YES!
allison had NEVER made anything good in the past, what makes you think they got it right this time.
go look at the posts on that POS tranny
 
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