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ORD doubler or Klune-V

Nashu, I am still up in the air on what I want to do for low more range. I'm thinking about the Klune because it is a bolt in and will really shine even with 2.7/1 low on top of the 2.72/1 in the 241 case. With your set up and the added length did you fab up any type of mount to go between the Klune and the Atlas for extra support?
 
It comes with an xtra mount that we did NOT use!! I am just running the tranny mount.
As I have said in the past I like it and have no issues with it at all.
 
Hmmm, upgraded to 32 spline later? I guess that's why we only build 31 and 32 spline shafts. When you consider that no matter what you do (Klune, Doubler or whatever else you can dream up) you will need that upgrade it starts to level the playing field a bit more on price.
So, baseline Klune = $1500 or so
Doubler adapter kit = $740
The Klune will require an adapter to bolt to a fig8 pattern 205 (most common for GM) where the Doubler is built to bolt up.

Shifters? I don't know how Klune charges for them (part of the kit or not?) but we've built 2 and 3 stick shifters for rigs with Klunes and 205's so I don't think it's all included. No matter what they don't build 205 shifters.

Then you just have to find the 203 gearbox. Lots of our trucks came with a 203 gearbox, the rest are pretty easily adaptable when you consider the 203 can be bolted up to any of the round pattern adapters.

Strength: With the 32 spline upgrade (that should be standard) the Klune is pretty tough for sure, that 241 planetary is rated for quite a bit of torque.

Length? That varies by application but I don't think the planetary box with necessary adapters is any shorter than the 10" that the 203 gearbox takes up with adapters. Especially considering the easy way to bolt the Klune to a GM trans is with a factory round pattern adapter that's about 3.5".

Really what it comes down to is that the Klune is a pretty good box but it's strong points are not price and easy adaptability into a GM truck.

If you have one of the few GM applications that the Klune bolts directly into, the price gap closes up but for $1500, we can set you up with a complete 203 gearbox drilled for a round pattern and a 3 stick shifter for the whole mess.

Does Klune have an adapter that lets you use the long 32 spline input gear in the round pattern 205's? It seems like they would require you to swap that out to the short input gear anyway.
 
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I know the Klune would survive, but would the 241? Just the thought of having a CR of about 116 with an auto makes me drool.

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I destroyed 2 NP241's in my 1990 Suburban in one year. I was running 38's with the full body so I know I was moving a lot of weight. When it came time to put in another T case I decided to go with the Doubler because I now have 42's and I don't believe the 241 would hold up.
 
Hmmmmm, I upraded later because at the time , I did not have the dough to spend on upgrading the Atllas to 32 splin input. So I went with what would work.

There is no extra charge on for the shifter , it is a part of the unit. The over all length on mine was about 8 inches.

As I said before , I did not want to have to chase any parts since I did not have a 203. I wanted to come away with a new unit , not a used one cut apart to work.

When I was making my descision about thi, it was actually you Stephen, that made my mind up. When I spoke with you and let you know my set up you said you didn't have an adapter and that you were working on it. You also described another rig that had my set up and you said the shifters were dang near behind the front seat. At the time you did not come across as very confident to me about the set up with the Atlass.
As I stated earlier, I know that most around here worship you and your product. I just personally was not convinced. I cannot speak for your stuff, but it is my undrstanding that it is very good stuff. It just wasn't what I wanted. I do not think that a 203 would have put up with the abuse and weight of what I have done. I also really feel it is going tthrough a whole ot pf trouble to put in a used part. If I went with a doubler I was told I would not have any warranty on the unit itself since it was used. My Klune came with a 2 year deal that they did not hesitate to fixe at the 11th hour. They even "UPGRADED" at no cost and covered the shipping.

I have seen doublers workl very well out on the trail and I am sure they are great. It just isn't the rout I would go or suggest going.

differen strokes for different folks.
NASHU
 
I'm not trying to bash your decision by any means, just throw out technical merits of doing things with different pieces which is the subject of the original post. Since I obviously have a bit invested in the accuracy of the technical discussion, I just want to make sure it's all clear.

Durability wise, you wouldn't break a 203, that spur gear drive is extremely solid. We've had guys breaking outputs on the 205, one (ever) broken Doubler shaft, and one 205 case that ended up in 3 pieces and never a whimper from the 203 gearbox. One of the solid points of the 203 is it's strength and durability. If you can get your 'wheeling done with an atlas (given that the 205 has a higher torque rating and the 203 will stand up to a 205), the 203 would be fine.

"new" vs. "cut apart old stuff"? 1st, it may just be terminology but nothing is cut on the 203, it's a 100% bolt together process, the 203 starts as a bolted together transfer case and our kit bolts into factory points. It's important to clarify this since everything we put down here is available for searches for years to come. There is a variable in the condition of the 203 gearbox you start with though we seldom find one that's completely unusable. If you want a warranted part, we can build a gearbox that way, and even with having to buy both transfer cases, you'll rarely spend over $2400. If you want to do the work yourself, you're obviously responsible for that work, that's part of the fun (?) of doing it yourself.

Really, if you assume you're not going to multiply the input torque into anything less than a 205, (lets leave the atlas vs. 205 discussion alone, it's been covered already) and assume you're going to upgrade the 205 to the 32 spline input before you break it, it comes down to:
cost: already covered
gear ratio: 2.72 vs. 2:1
Weight: ? I would think the 30# guesstimate is about right
Durability: probably a tossup but I might give an edge to the 203 since it does have fewer moving parts. It's probably not a significant difference overall.
Strength: (different than durability) probably not a significant difference. I know the 241 planetaries have a high torque rating, I wonder if that's rated in low gear?
Length: somewhat comparable depending on the application.

Nashua, I think the length example you were remembering was either a GEN1 or a jeep setup we put together that had a 350, ranger OD, SM420, 203 gearbox, then the atlas. You can see why the shifters could end up in the rear passenger area.
 
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Not to Hijack...
I know the Klune would survive, but would the 241? Just the thought of having a CR of about 116 with an auto makes me drool.

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I destroyed 2 NP241's in my 1990 Suburban in one year. I was running 38's with the full body so I know I was moving a lot of weight. When it came time to put in another T case I decided to go with the Doubler because I now have 42's and I don't believe the 241 would hold up.

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That is one of my concerns. It's more along the lines of how well the chain will hold up but there is only one way to find out.
 
Completely understood
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yah, I don't remember the specifics I just remember thinking I wasn't even going to have a back seat, how I can have a shifter back there!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif

In the end I have been very happy with my set and kow people that have been very happy with yours!!!

So, when are we going wheeilin!!!!
 
As soon as you come up here or somehow convince me to leave the colorado high country, montrose, moab, buena vista, etc (all within 3-4 hours) to go somewhere else for the summer. The rubicon is tempting but that's the wrong way for sure. Maybe farmington or Las Cruces? In the fall.
 

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