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Overland trip: CK5 wheels the UP 2016 (trip report and pictures going up!)

Very cool. Must have been a DC winch motor, VFDs didn't exist in 1902... lol I just love how the armature is exposed, watch your fingers boys and girls! :eek1:

Yes. The AC motor drove a DC generator. Large resistor banks sat against the wall. It seemed to have enough parts there to still be operational if someone were to go relubricate the moving parts.
 
Don't know how to tell if they ran on 2300 or 4100. Would probably take more snooping than the care-taker would be comfortable with. Looks like they used a motor off the mains (not sure where the transformer is) to turn a generator and create DC for the actual hoist motor. I assume this was for speed control. By my reckoning, the slanted opening in the wall (like this: /-\ ) implies that there was once a tapered drum hoist installed. The curator (actually Painesdale Mine and Hoist board member) claims this was the original hoist for the shaft, but she also admits that her knowledge is limited. To me, this thing is way undersized to hoist full skips from 4000' below - both in power and the lacking amount of cable. I bet it was used for something else and after the "real" hoist was sold or scrapped, they moved this one in to move people and equipment up and down to support the water works. This mine supplied water to many local communities for decades after it was done hauling ore.

This shaft-house was built in 1902, too early for an all electric hoist. I need to do more research...

^^^ This.

Ever wonder why it's now billed as the Painesdale Mine instead of the Champion Mine? I should have asked her why they don't use the old name anymore (at least, not primarily).
 
Not sure if this is the same shaft house we visited, but it must be from Champion or Baltic. So you can see how dudes went to work in the morning.

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From various sources it's clear they had a steam hoist, then built a 2nd hoist house kind of behind the first, which was later torn down. So the house we toured is the original. There are references to an electric hoist down inside the mine to bring things up partway from the bottom and also some to a cable running across the ground to the 2nd hoist house for a similar purpose. Don't know if these are both true or if some reports are confused. The electric one we photographed may have been in the 2nd house originally (or at another shaft). Seems unlikely something with so many large parts was once located underground. Although if you were going to run long wires, better to do it at high voltage than the DC drive current.

http://www.copperrange.org/pms.htm
 
Not sure if this is the same shaft house we visited, but it must be from Champion or Baltic. So you can see how dudes went to work in the morning.

d39df990.jpg


From various sources it's clear they had a steam hoist, then built a 2nd hoist house kind of behind the first, which was later torn down. So the house we toured is the original. There are references to an electric hoist down inside the mine to bring things up partway from the bottom and also some to a cable running across the ground to the 2nd hoist house for a similar purpose. Don't know if these are both true or if some reports are confused. The electric one we photographed may have been in the 2nd house originally (or at another shaft). Seems unlikely something with so many large parts was once located underground. Although if you were going to run long wires, better to do it at high voltage than the DC drive current.

http://www.copperrange.org/pms.htm

Wow, that looks very similar to what we toured. Weren't most of the Copper Country shaft houses made out of wood? And only the later ones covered in metal siding?
 
I asked that question while we were there and she said the corrugated metal was always there.

Mike posted pictures of climbing around inside the shaft/rockhouse: http://www.coppercountryexplorer.com/2008/01/a-peek-inside/. I know at one point there was a DVD of this, but I don't know if it's still available.

I just meant that early houses were made out of wood and that steel houses didn't show up in the region until later. This may or may not be true, but it has been my understanding of the way things progressed in the region.

Nice pictures. That opportunity to climb up to the higher levels would be nothing short of awesome. I've had the chance to investigate a few ruins, but being allowed into a shaft house is a treat indeed.
 
Fuel consumption report. Because I like tracking stuff like that.

I drove 1001 miles and used 51.5 gallons. An average of 19.4 MPG. I'll break that down by fillup:

I started the trip full and ran mostly road miles until I ran out in the Porkies (filled up in Ontonagon). This was 436 miles and 20.0 gallons. 21.8MPG. This is a little low for this truck on a road trip, but it wasn't only highway miles.

The second tank was the real overlanding stuff, from the Porkies through the Keweenaw. I ran out in Houghton and filled up in Baraga (because why not?). 276 miles and 18.0 gallons (it sputtered on the big hill in Houghton). 15.3 MPG.

The third tank was the trip from Houghton to home. The only overlanding here was going up to the gorge. 289 miles and 13.6 gallons. 21.3MPG. Still slightly low, but there's not much I can do about it.

Looking through my route and comparing it to Dave's, I think I drove 430 extra miles (since I didn't trailer), so I'm estimating that he drove 570 miles. He estimates that he burned through 105 gallons, so I figure his average mileage as 5.4MPG

Luke says:

I'm getting like 12MPG in expedition mode

My informal observation is that Luke and I would run out of fuel at similar times, but he carried 32 gallons while I carried 20 (in one tank). Looking at the math, this is really close to what I would expect from our respective mileage numbers.

So...folks interested in joining us, here are 3 real-world fuel consumption data points for you to plan your fueling capacity accordingly (and budget, too). This stuff doesn't hog fuel like serious rock crawling or sand dunes, but you will be visiting the pump periodically!

:)

@76zimmer
 
@Blue85, how soon can I start throwing out ideas for next year? You wanna wait a bit?

We will definitely be up in the U.P. again, whether or not you organize another group trip.
 
Fuel consumption report. Because I like tracking stuff like that.

I drove 1001 miles and used 51.5 gallons. An average of 19.4 MPG. I'll break that down by fillup:

I started the trip full and ran mostly road miles until I ran out in the Porkies (filled up in Ontonagon). This was 436 miles and 20.0 gallons. 21.8MPG. This is a little low for this truck on a road trip, but it wasn't only highway miles.

The second tank was the real overlanding stuff, from the Porkies through the Keweenaw. I ran out in Houghton and filled up in Baraga (because why not?). 276 miles and 18.0 gallons (it sputtered on the big hill in Houghton). 15.3 MPG.

The third tank was the trip from Houghton to home. The only overlanding here was going up to the gorge. 289 miles and 13.6 gallons. 21.3MPG. Still slightly low, but there's not much I can do about it.

Looking through my route and comparing it to Dave's, I think I drove 430 extra miles (since I didn't trailer), so I'm estimating that he drove 570 miles. He estimates that he burned through 105 gallons, so I figure his average mileage as 5.4MPG

Luke says:



My informal observation is that Luke and I would run out of fuel at similar times, but he carried 32 gallons while I carried 20 (in one tank). Looking at the math, this is really close to what I would expect from our respective mileage numbers.

So...folks interested in joining us, here are 3 real-world fuel consumption data points for you to plan your fueling capacity accordingly (and budget, too). This stuff doesn't hog fuel like serious rock crawling or sand dunes, but you will be visiting the pump periodically!

:)

@76zimmer

I just filled the Maiden up, took almost 20 gallons from where we filled up and I forgot to pay (lac la belle???) to where ever we went that day including the sands, and finally to the camp spot at the sturgeon river, then I had to get back to the Adventure mine to load up. I also added an additional 15 mi. today getting to the gas station. any idea how far all that was?
 
I just filled the Maiden up, took almost 20 gallons from where we filled up and I forgot to pay (lac la belle???) to where ever we went that day including the sands, and finally to the camp spot at the sturgeon river, then I had to get back to the Adventure mine to load up. I also added an additional 15 mi. today getting to the gas station. any idea how far all that was?

Not counting sand time, the route as I recall it would have been 125miles. So at least 140 miles total. 140/20 = 7MPG cruising on the road. Nicer than average, but it was a road-based segment of the trip.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Lac...814a808ce4b!2m2!1d-89.0857623!2d46.779492!3e0
 
Not counting sand time, the route as I recall it would have been 125miles. So at least 140 miles total. 140/20 = 7MPG cruising on the road. Nicer than average, but it was a road-based segment of the trip.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Lac...814a808ce4b!2m2!1d-89.0857623!2d46.779492!3e0
I adjusted the Google route based on our "unexpected" routing through Baltic, Painesdale and Lake Roland, the actual location of the camp ("Sturgeon River Gorge Wilderness" is a generic location in the woods on the West side of the river) and that our exit from camp was different from our entrance and came up with 141miles. That doesn't count the stamp sand or the backtrack to Gay Bar, but that's just a few miles? So your numbers should be pretty close. The best way to track mileage is to run the GPS tracking the whole way. I think Google has pretty approximate distances on trails and actual curvy-road time can be longer. And it accounts for running sands, backing up to repeat the same water-hole, looping back to figure out why everybody stopped, etc.
 
I adjusted the Google route based on our "unexpected" routing through Baltic, Painesdale and Lake Roland, the actual location of the camp ("Sturgeon River Gorge Wilderness" is a generic location in the woods on the West side of the river) and that our exit from camp was different from our entrance and came up with 141miles. That doesn't count the stamp sand or the backtrack to Gay Bar, but that's just a few miles? So your numbers should be pretty close. The best way to track mileage is to run the GPS tracking the whole way. I think Google has pretty approximate distances on trails and actual curvy-road time can be longer. And it accounts for running sands, backing up to repeat the same water-hole, looping back to figure out why everybody stopped, etc.

I agree with you, but I didn't have such technology available. Maybe next time. :)

(141 + 15) / 20 = 7.8MPG.
 
Dismounted the blown Tire and found lots of cracking on the inside. I inspected the one other one I have dismounted and the inside of that one's fine (but the outside is splitting).

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I've contacted Interco and they want me to visit "the dealer" for an assessment and the possibility of some partial credit. I found lots of SSR blowout stories online, but Interco won't give me any date codes to look for.
 
Skeeters are totally manageable in the day. After dark and early in the morning and they find any skin not covered in DEET. So just like Ethan said, they're not bad.

On to the teasers.

View from above the Sturgeon Gorge:

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The Sturgeon River downstream;

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Now here's where getting Intel from a local ahead of time paid off. This is the entrance to the original trail:

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He made it sound easy, but brushy, but it looks like I will break you all in to real 4-wheeling on the 1st day. I cut a lot of brush, so it's full-size ready, but this exit out of the river requires precise tire placement. There is a go-around with a bridge, but it's gated. Oh, and I got stuck on the trail to it anyway.

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Hey there, these pictures show the trail on a DRY day instead of a wet & swampy day. I want a refund. :deal:

:haha: :thumb:


I remember getting winched up to the top and being told "there was a bridge bypassing the crossing." :rolleyes:
 
That looks like a awesome trip! I sure hope it's a awesome success and is repeated next year. I would love to make this year but just don't trust my motor.

It was an awesome success, and I'm confident it will happen again. I understand not trusting your truck yet, my preferred camping rig is still in pieces. Maybe next year I won't need a tent. :)

Damn wish I could be there, trucks not complete yet... work seems to get in the way of things..

Awesome pictures keep them coming.

Are you giving out the route you took if someone wanted to follow your route later in the season?

Thanks monty

Bring the truck next year. Or hit me up whenever you get it done. None of these locations is more than an evening's drive from my house, we head up there whenever we're in an exploratory mood. :)
Yes, I can walk you through the route if you wanna duplicate the trip.


The K20 is getting built for this kind of thing, camping and mild wheeling. See you fellers next time :waytogo:

I gotta go next year. I live that country up der. Just need to finish truck and work the bugs out before a distance trip.

Man this looks awesome guys! how easy would a 2wd c30 prerunner do on this kind of trip if you did it again next year? Cause I'm in....as long as you guys don't mind winching me up rock :D

I'll be all about a trip like this next year. Just won't have any time this year.

Looking forward to it.

Man, that looks like an absolute blast!!
Wow, really have think about it. 11hr drive, but looks like great scenery and would be great to meet some of you guys
This sounds pretty awesome and I would love to do this but going to Michigan twice in one summer is too much for me.

You guys too. This trip needs more than 3 rigs, IMO.
 
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