jekbrown, i wish that were true. i made 60 grand last year, and worked for every penny of it, and worked lots of over time to get there. im 37 and a machinist, 15 plus yrs expeirence, self taught welder, now with 3 certifications, leadman of the machine shop i work at. i live in la calif. where fixer up homes in nice areas start at 400 grand and nice homes go for 600 grand and up, and no i dont own one. i have a family and plenty of bills like everybody else. i scroung for every penny i put into my projects, what ever it maybe. i'm a rentin stiff like the rest. i'm not being defensive, but definently not rich.