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*PIC* Finally got a tow rig...

sweet deal. that beast should last along time. my friend had a 77 just like it and the only problem he had with it was the steering box breaking away from the frame. it had 40's on it though with the ever popular sledge hammer fender mods.:D he didn't have a saw!!
 
Huh?

Poohbair said:
I don't look any more HOMO in the minivan than you do in the brown Eclipse...:grin:



Brown Eclipse???

Is that a dirty bottom moon shot or sumthin? :eek1: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
 
boggerless said:
sweet deal. that beast should last along time. my friend had a 77 just like it and the only problem he had with it was the steering box breaking away from the frame. it had 40's on it though with the ever popular sledge hammer fender mods.:D he didn't have a saw!!

I broke the frame on my old 77 1/2 ton. This one has the ol' school power steering... takes all the power you got to steer the bastard!!! It will probably get a PS setup someday, but for now it is the ol' reliable Manual steering box...
 
Good luck with the motor swap. Should do just fine.

As far as it being a ford....who cares? The Chevy, Ford, and Dodge were all the same thing basically in those days IMHO. They all used the same running gear, Spicer/Dana/New process, and all three made good reliable engines and transmissions that outlive the bodies usually anyway. I have never seen any substancial difference that would make one much better than the other two.....
 
I'm a Dodge man at heart. If I buy something with a car logo on it, it's a mopar product!!!

But I also realize there are goods and bads for all the brands.

I love the looks of fords, I just don't care to much for the suspensions and motors that much.

I love Chevy's, especially, the late '60s early '70s models... I like the engines and suspensions and the looks are ok on the later models.

I love Dodges.... I love the way they look, I love the powertrains, I love the suspensions... I just love Dodges. The one thing I don't like about Dodges is the top system on the ramchargers. It's like a canopy on a pick up. Complete rattle trap. If I had a designated 4x4, it would be fine, but for a driver, my Blazer beats it for comfort hands down.
 
Poohbair said:
... well, I will be able to afford to GET TO THE MOUNTAIN because I am not strapped w/ a $$700+ a month truck payment...
Have fun at work while I go wheelin...!!!
As far as a payment....that is a non issue. Everybody makes different amounts of money, and what may seem a lot per month to one person may actually not be that much to the person that chose to purchase an expensive truck and make them.

I personally wanted to fix up a crew cab 80's chevy 1 ton SRW.....everyone knows the truck, as a DD/tow rig for my K5. That is a pretty cool setup. But from personal experience it is nice having the power, reliability, and flat out compfort of a new rig on long trips.

Different strokes for different folks. :)
 
rjfguitar said:
As far as a payment....that is a non issue. Everybody makes different amounts of money, and what may seem a lot per month to one person may actually not be that much to the person that chose to purchase an expensive truck and make them.

I personally wanted to fix up a crew cab 80's chevy 1 ton SRW.....everyone knows the truck, as a DD/tow rig for my K5. That is a pretty cool setup. But from personal experience it is nice having the power, reliability, and flat out compfort of a new rig on long trips.

Different strokes for different folks. :)

Im not trying to pee on you cheerios, but,

WHats that dodge of yours going to be worth in 5-6 years? Not near what you paid for,

Whats poohs truck going to be worth in the same time? 300 bucks? Not a big loss.

THis is just my personal opinion. I would have built that k30 myself.
 
rjfguitar said:
As far as a payment....that is a non issue. Everybody makes different amounts of money, and what may seem a lot per month to one person may actually not be that much to the person that chose to purchase an expensive truck and make them.

I personally wanted to fix up a crew cab 80's chevy 1 ton SRW.....everyone knows the truck, as a DD/tow rig for my K5. That is a pretty cool setup. But from personal experience it is nice having the power, reliability, and flat out compfort of a new rig on long trips.

Different strokes for different folks. :)

Payment is a non issue? I don't care how much $$ a person makes... payment is ALWAYS an issue...Otherwise we would all be living in million dollar homes and driving new CTX's... It is not that I can't afford a payment on a new truck, I just have tons of other stuff that I would rather spend my money on that something that does nothing but depreciate in value... hell, w/ todays interest rates on an ARM you can buy a house for 700-800 a month, and in 5 to 8 years probably have something (if you do it smart) that is worth WAY more than what you paid...

Like you said, different strokes for different folks... I will just keep stroking the ol' $400 Ford and not have a monthly payment and a 35K debt hanging over my head!
 
white-rhyno said:
Im not trying to pee on you cheerios, but,

WHats that dodge of yours going to be worth in 5-6 years? Not near what you paid for,

Whats poohs truck going to be worth in the same time? 300 bucks? Not a big loss.

THis is just my personal opinion. I would have built that k30 myself.

In 5-6 years his truck is going to be worth $15000-20000. Almost every dime of what he paid for it. Diesel 4wd trucks hold their value pretty well. Check out what a beat up used Diesel truck goes for.....they're $20k, you can never find a nice one cheaper than $30k, thus why I'm buying a new one for $35k with everything I want.

You spend $10k to build a K30 and what's it worth in 5-6 years? $1500. The Same thing it was worth when you bought it.

For once I agree with Bobby. :grin:

As to the payment, yeah, it sucks, but I wish I could find a girlfriend as exiting as getting up in the morning and cranking over a brand new Cummins powered truck.
 
84_Chevy_K10 said:
In 5-6 years his truck is going to be worth $15000-20000. Almost every dime of what he paid for it. Diesel 4wd trucks hold their value pretty well. Check out what a beat up used Diesel truck goes for.....they're $20k, you can never find a nice one cheaper than $30k, thus why I'm buying a new one for $35k with everything I want.

You spend $10k to build a K30 and what's it worth in 5-6 years? $1500. The Same thing it was worth when you bought it.

For once I agree with Bobby. :grin:

As to the payment, yeah, it sucks, but I wish I could find a girlfriend as exiting as getting up in the morning and cranking over a brand new Cummins powered truck.

Tim, im really not trying to be argumentative,
BUT, my mother only paid only paid 19,000 for her 2000 cummins, and i garuntee, it will out pull your new dodge. DOnt say you cant find a good diesel under 20,000. $hit, her old 1991 would out pull the new ones.
 
...your high if you think that you can spend 10K building a nice K30 crew cab, and in 5 years have it worth 1500... If you took care of it then it will probably be worth 7-8K, or that is what I have been watching the NICE ones sell for. So your out 2-3 grand. The depreciation on a new rig is WAY more than 2-3 grand over 5-6 years, taken care of or not.

Now what would be SWEEEEEEEEEEET to do to this old F250 is drop a diesel in it! Brad and I saw an old F250 w/ a Powerstroke in it a few weeks ago at the trail head and it was BAD ASS.
 
white-rhyno said:
Tim, im really not trying to be argumentative,
BUT, my mother only paid only paid 19,000 for her 2000 cummins, and i garuntee, it will out pull your new dodge. DOnt say you cant find a good diesel under 20,000. $hit, her old 1991 would out pull the new ones.

2000 Cummins has about 80 less HP than mine and 150 less ft-lbs, assuming hers is stock.

If it can defy the laws of physics, I'm pretty sure she'll get more than bragging rights.

As to a nice K30 being worth money, to who? You could never sell something like that around here, someone on the internet that really wanted it would have to find it.
 
84_Chevy_K10 said:
2000 Cummins has about 80 less HP than mine and 150 less ft-lbs, assuming hers is stock.

If it can defy the laws of physics, I'm pretty sure she'll get more than bragging rights.

As to a nice K30 being worth money, to who? You could never sell something like that around here, someone on the internet that really wanted it would have to find it.

all depends if you want something nice and cushy w/ no character that will go DOWN in value (dollar for dollar), no matter what...
I prefer older rigs w/ character than the same ol' new trucks you see every other car on the freeway.

Oh, and my buddy has an 03 Dodge 2500 and my brother has an 05 Dodge 3500... and i have ridden in both and towed with both, yes, they tow nice... but not nice enough to me for the $$... For that kind of $$ a truck better give me a hand job while I am driving...and yes, Brads moms 2000 will out-tow either one of them.

For 10K I can put a crew cab on this ol' Ford and install a used powerstroke, have the same power and mileage as you (or better)... and I may not be able to get ALL of my $$ out of it if I wanted to sell it, but I will be a hell of alot closer than trying to get 35K out of a used 2000 to 2005 w/ 100K miles on it...

Not trying to argue w/ anybody or downgrade anybodys stuff, it is just a matter of opinion and personal preference.:grin:
 
Poohbair said:
Payment is a non issue?
Poohbair,
Wait, back up, because you missed it. It is a non issue because everyone has a different income. Not all of us have million dollar homes and drive BMW's because not all of us are extremely wealthy. The payment issue only matters by what the payer makes, which is not the topic here.

Tim is exactly right. You can dump 10K into a K30 now and it will be lucky to be worth half that tommorrow. I have 20K+ in my K5 and probably couldn't get 10K for it, even if I held out for months. THat is the trend with fixed up older vehicles, you are lucky to get half of your investment back, especially if it isn't even a classic, like our beloved 70's-80's trucks.

Tim is also right that the newer diesels are depreciating at slower rates than gas equipped rigs. Yes, an older rig depreciates even slower but because there is no demand for them and they aren't worth much in the first place. 10% of 10 dollars is only 1$. Take a new diesel truck that is highly sought after and you will see more money lost simply because it is worth more. 10% of 10,000$ is 1,000$.

For 10K I can put a crew cab on this ol' Ford and install a used powerstroke, have the same power and mileage as you (or better)... and I may not be able to get ALL of my $$ out of it if I wanted to sell it, but I will be a hell of alot closer than trying to get 35K out of a used 2000 to 2005 w/ 100K miles on it...
1) You will not get a better mileage out of a powerjoke, especially in a chassis that wasn't designed for it, than a 5.9L cummins ISB.
2) You wouldn't be able to match the power of the cummins with a PS. The older mechanical version 7.3 (which isn't a powerstroke) would be the easiest swap and does not have the aftermarket support to even match a cummins like mine with just an Edge EZ chip. :rolleyes:, and the '05's are fairly higher rated than mine. The early "simpler" electronic PS has primitive software, forget about making that a rival. Good luck with trying to wire in an up to date PS.
3) You won't get nearly as much money back for it as you think, most people frown on homegrown hack jobs, unless it was done by a professional shop. There are tons of strait axle late chevies around here.....it's an easy mod but they are worth SQUAT after the mod. The only one I ever saw that had a SAS and wasn't slaughtering the resale was a late model CC4x4 1 ton that was done by Fullthrottle suspension and had the records to back it.

all depends if you want something nice and cushy w/ no character that will go DOWN in value (dollar for dollar), no matter what...
I prefer older rigs w/ character than the same ol' new trucks you see every other car on the freeway.
Ha, my blazer definantly has character....a whiny one that is always crying "wrench on me!" My dodge definantly has a lot of compfort and power in it's character.... :)

Whiteryno,
WHats that dodge of yours going to be worth in 5-6 years? Not near what you paid for,
Honestly I haven't thought about it much. Mainly because it doesn't bother me, I will just trade it in on another dodge cummins that is only a couple years old and start all over again with a slightly used truck. If I loose 5-10K$, big deal....it's still definantly worth it having a newer, nice, powerfull rig over something older and a lot "looser":p: :grin:

As for your mommy's '00. It will not outpull an '05 ram cummins in stock form and there is no two ways about it. My guess is she has a comp box and/or other goodies that you haven't mentioned. Lets compare stock to stock.


Tim,

We see eye to eye on this subject, it is a nice change. :)
 
rjfguitar,

No, its not in its stock form, edge chip w/ injectors and exhaust. Nothing to write home about, but a huge differnce from stock.
280rwhp 680ftlbs. Still had another level on the chip.

On a stock to stock basis, yea, tims would win.
 
I like used trucks. Nothing wrong with new. Just for me I can justify my used tow rig cause I'm so cheap as far as investing money, that I doubt my Crew Cab will ever peak the $6000 investment mark. Course, I've probably spent alot of "time" into it swapping my freebie parts around when something wears out. I'm so cheap that I don't want to have more money into a rig than I can get back from it parting it out or selling it outright.

But in the long run, I like being able to say I have had everything apart on the truck and back together again. (I don't always volunteer that info when something on it falls apart :blush: ).

Only thing that sucks is the fuel economy. I still wish I was able to have bought that '79 Chevy Crew Cab with a Cummins swapped into it that was Illinois.

Someone's gotta buy new rigs though, or we wouldn't have used ones today. ;)
 
I think it's a nice truck. I wish I could find a deal like that! :D
 
white-rhyno said:
rjfguitar,

No, its not in its stock form, edge chip w/ injectors and exhaust. Nothing to write home about, but a huge differnce from stock.
280rwhp 680ftlbs. Still had another level on the chip.

On a stock to stock basis, yea, tims would win.
What is done with the transmission? Her '00 is almost the same as my '01.5. I think the first thing I am going to do is the tranny....The ATS triplock converter, VB, and their rebuild kit before the stocker lets go and leaves me stranded, like I did with my th700R4. I basically plan on the same setup with the Edge Comp, injectors, 5" strait exhaust, FASS, and air intake. Maybe an HX-40 or B-1 bomber turbo one day but not anytime soon.
 
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