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Please be careful with tow straps

Mine goes wherever it wants also unless I'm pulling straight on (which is like never). It usually goes where I want it to for 2 or 3 wraps then it starts riding up on itself.

Luckily, I only have to pull a few feet most of the time anyway. When I was using the winch to move junk around in the yard I'd have to spool it out then rewrap and that was annoying.

I have a grand tied up in my winch setup and I plan on keeping it forever and it should last forever if I take care of it. I pretty much got the winch so I could do more "serious" offroading by myself. Only a few times have I used it with other people... mostly to pull my box off trees and back when BurbBoy broke the input shaft to his second SM465 when he was trying to pull me out.
 
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I always use a strap to extract a rig if possible, it's much easier, safer, and most of the time, faster and easier on the equipment, too.

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Strapping may be a little easier, but I would think it's alot harder on equipment than winching.
 
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I always use a strap to extract a rig if possible, it's much easier, safer, and most of the time, faster and easier on the equipment, too.

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Strapping may be a little easier, but I would think it's alot harder on equipment than winching.

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Depends on the operator I guess.

I would break the frame long before I'd break any drivetrain parts anyway, and when I pull, I never use more than 10' MAX of slack.
 
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Depends on the operator I guess.

I would break the frame long before I'd break any drivetrain parts anyway, and when I pull, I never use more than 10' MAX of slack.

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Wha?? I think you need to lay down the crack pipe!!!
 
Lay down the crack pipe? You have never seen a frame bend, I take it?

With a 4 speed, 205, 1 ton rated drivelines and 1 ton axles, I'd likely break the frame LONG before I broke any drivetrain parts, with the possible exception of the front stub shafts which are still 30 spline.
 
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Lay down the crack pipe? You have never seen a frame bend, I take it?

With a 4 speed, 205, 1 ton rated drivelines and 1 ton axles, I'd likely break the frame LONG before I broke any drivetrain parts, with the possible exception of the front stub shafts which are still 30 spline.

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I had been wheeling for many years and have yanked and been yanked trucks with alot of slack at times... Just because you have 1 tons, doesn't mean you aren't going to break! I have seen betn frames, but never from pulling someone out. Come take a look at my 82... It has been yanked out more times than I can remember, has yanked out tons of people and it is still straight. And 90% of the time I hooked up the chain or strap to the rear spring mount/shackle when I pulled someone out.... I want to see you break a frame from pulling someone out! If you have, then that thing was in piss poor shape and should have been pulled off the road a long time ago!
 
I don't know what you think I'm going to break, but I HAVE seen frames bend and tweak from pulling, and I know for a fact that I would destroy my frame long before any drivetrain part, with the possible exception of front axleshafts.
 
With the given infinite spectrum of circumstances it's hard if not impossible to argue in strict terms, but I imagine it'd be hard to bend a rail itself, easy to rip out a connecting member
 
Take a look at a vehicle that has a snow plow on it... chances are the frame is bent up in front of the front axle. It's also quite common to find diamond-shaped (more appropriately rhombus) frames. AKA dog-tracking.
 
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Take a look at a vehicle that has a snow plow on it... chances are the frame is bent up in front of the front axle. It's also quite common to find diamond-shaped (more appropriately rhombus) frames. AKA dog-tracking.

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Exactly.

Apparently someone has been on the trail. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
looked like the dude got his hat knocked off.... /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
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I don't know what you think I'm going to break, but I HAVE seen frames bend and tweak from pulling, and I know for a fact that I would destroy my frame long before any drivetrain part, with the possible exception of front axleshafts.

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Just because you have 1 tons doesn't mean you're not going to break... I have seen d-shafts go(yes even Jesse's.. Sorry Jesse), t-case, 14FF axleshafts, etc.... You can even find alot of this stuff on the net.. Hell, people are even breaking aftermarket axles. Anything is breakable. And I am not saying the frame isn't bendable, but it will last longer than your drivetrain.
 
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Take a look at a vehicle that has a snow plow on it... chances are the frame is bent up in front of the front axle. It's also quite common to find diamond-shaped (more appropriately rhombus) frames. AKA dog-tracking.

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These are two totally different situations and and is like comparing apples to oranges. Bending a frame plowing is comming because you are always exerting(sp?) force on the front frame rails from pushing mounds of snow. So do you push people out when you're on the trail? No you hook up from behind. or PULL from the front. Not pushing on the frame which has a lot higher chance of bending the frame rails.
 
Sorry, I dont go plowing snow on the trails. I am there to wheel... /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
Yeap... and if you don't pull off both rails... what happens?

It can happen with Heeps, it can happen with 3800lb shortboxes, and it can happen with 7,000lb Suburbans.

I've seen it on all three... except usually the tow hook tears through the frame on a Suburban.
 
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Yeap... and if you don't pull off both rails... what happens?

It can happen with Heeps, it can happen with 3800lb shortboxes, and it can happen with 7,000lb Suburbans.

I've seen it on all three... except usually the tow hook tears through the frame on a Suburban.

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If you dont pull off both rails what happens? You pull the person out. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Most of the time I only pull off one rail.. My K5 tracks fine and nothing seems out of whack. And when I hook up in the rear, I hook to a spring perch on one side. Never got around to putting a pull point off the bumper.. I am not saying a bent frame cant happen, I am just saying it is not as common as a broken drivetrain part...
 
If you're seriously stuck on the side that you're not pulling on the frame will end up rhombus shaped (that Jeep in the video probably isn't square anymore).

Spring hangers aren't designed for that kind of abuse, nor is the stock bumper.

This is what I did until I got my receiver hitch put on:
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If you're seriously stuck on the side that you're not pulling on the frame will end up rhombus shaped (that Jeep in the video probably isn't square anymore).

Spring hangers aren't designed for that kind of abuse, nor is the stock bumper.

This is what I did until I got my receiver hitch put on:


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My frame still measures correctly on the outside width of my k5 after all these years. It takes a lot of abuse to bend a frame..

Ya, I know spring hangers aren't designed to be pulled on, but that was my best bet at the time and I was lazy and never got aroudn to added a good mount... But it held up well and I never had a probelm even with some pretty hard yanks..*knock on wood*

I would never hook up off a stock bumper... Mine we're custom 3-3.5" tube that was 1/4" wall. The front I had a nice clvis mount. But never got around to puttin one on the rear. Before my custom front bumper, I used the fornt spring mount.. Again, with no problems..
 
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I don't know what you think I'm going to break, but I HAVE seen frames bend and tweak from pulling, and I know for a fact that I would destroy my frame long before any drivetrain part, with the possible exception of front axleshafts.

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Just because you have 1 tons doesn't mean you're not going to break... I have seen d-shafts go(yes even Jesse's.. Sorry Jesse), t-case, 14FF axleshafts, etc.... You can even find alot of this stuff on the net.. Hell, people are even breaking aftermarket axles. Anything is breakable. And I am not saying the frame isn't bendable, but it will last longer than your drivetrain.

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I have never seen an NP 205 nor a 14 bolt break.

A 1 ton rated driveshaft that is not binding will not break. I have had my truck standing on the back bumper, on the throttle the whole time, and it would not break.

In the last 5,000 1 ton CV drivelines Jesse has built, he has not recieved a single one back that was broken from too much torque. Mine, like the handful of others that have come back, exploded from too much angle.

The only potential weak spot is the front axleshafts. You'll literally destroy the whole truck before you break anything else.

Sure you can break a driveshaft from binding it or putting it against a foreign object, but generally speaking a well built rig isn't going to fail anywhere but at wherever the potential weak point is.

If you don't believe me, go to a rock crawling competition. What do they break? Front axleshafts. All day long.
 
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I have never seen an NP 205 nor a 14 bolt break.

A 1 ton rated driveshaft that is not binding will not break. I have had my truck standing on the back bumper, on the throttle the whole time, and it would not break.

In the last 5,000 1 ton CV drivelines Jesse has built, he has not recieved a single one back that was broken from too much torque. Mine, like the handful of others that have come back, exploded from too much angle.

The only potential weak spot is the front axleshafts. You'll literally destroy the whole truck before you break anything else.

Sure you can break a driveshaft from binding it or putting it against a foreign object, but generally speaking a well built rig isn't going to fail anywhere but at wherever the potential weak point is.

If you don't believe me, go to a rock crawling competition. What do they break? Front axleshafts. All day long.

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I follow rock crawling as much as possible and I see them break alot of stuff not just front shafts.... Why do you think they make stronger aftermarket parts for just about everything? Because people break the stock stuff and some even break the aftermarket.... There have been 14FF shafts that have broken and 60 rear shafts. And a weak link for the 205 is the coupler in between a 465 and the case. I have a friend that has broken two of those. Nothing is break-proof.
 
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