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Please be careful with tow straps

Parts just don't fail for no reason.

465 couplers break because they're worn out.

I have never seen a broken 14FF shaft in real life.

Last I checked there are few (if any) aftermarket parts for the inside of a 465/205 or 14 bolt full floater that actually make the assemblies stronger. Everything breaks at a certain point, but there is only so much torque available from an engine, and there IS a point where that torque is not sufficient to break the parts downstream from it.

Everything has its breaking point...and shock loads can break some weird things, but even so, I've seen MANY rigs destroy frames by pulling on them incorrectly, and not anywhere near as many break 1 ton drivetrain.
 
I hope you are not basing your experiences off of the RTC. That was not exactly what I think of as a hardcore comp. like UROC and the like.
 
RTC wasn't a rockcrawling competition.

Two weeks prior to that I was at the UROC competition, remember?

Some guy there managed to break a Mog portal box. So, everything has its failure point. He was running an insane amount of reduction though, and I doubt that it was properly maintained from what a few said about this particular buggy.
 
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Parts just don't fail for no reason.

465 couplers break because they're worn out.

I have never seen a broken 14FF shaft in real life.

Last I checked there are few (if any) aftermarket parts for the inside of a 465/205 or 14 bolt full floater that actually make the assemblies stronger. Everything breaks at a certain point, but there is only so much torque available from an engine, and there IS a point where that torque is not sufficient to break the parts downstream from it.

Everything has its breaking point...and shock loads can break some weird things, but even so, I've seen MANY rigs destroy frames by pulling on them incorrectly, and not anywhere near as many break 1 ton drivetrain.

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So everything in your drivetrain is new and not worn? I highly doubt it. ANd off the top of my head, I know "High5" over on POR has broken a 14FF shaft and it was in a Jeep..... Actually there is supposedly a 4:1 kit either already out for the 205 or close to it. And I am sure that any place that makes axleshafts will make you a stronger 14FF shaft. Look at Camo, he not only went above and beyond by getting his D60 shafts made from 300M, but he also got them made with 40 spines and this is for a Toyota which is lighter than your full size.

And as for the amount of torque available. Sure the engine can only produce so much, but once you start adding in doubler, 4:1's and lower, plus multiple cases, the torque just keeps multiplying! There is a limit though once you run outof room to mount everything. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I don't have a doubler, 4:1, multiple cases, nor did I even change to a lower ratio in the axles.

There is only so much torque available, and the maximimum amount of torque is at the axleshafts and that is where the weak point is.
 
Those were examples of how to add torque in refference to your comment about there is only so much torque available. Which there is, but when you start multiplying it with those things, it adds up quick and the numbers get highbeofre you reach a limit. And the limit really only is how many cases you can fit and how long you can go on the R&P and in the tranny...

but the alexshafts are not the only things affected by torque. All your drivetrain compnents are... Everythign after and including the tcase/tranny.. Not just the axleshafts. And if you go with aftermarket shafts/joints, you weak points transfer to other parts such as u-joints, axle studs, R&P's, carriers, yokes, etc...
 
Usually the weakest link is the component furthest from the power source (sees the most torque and impact loading). It makes sense that it'd be the front axleshafts since they often have the most weight on them, have cyclic loading (turning), and receive the highest impact loading (lot of slop by the time you get to the tires).

Still, there are weak points.

The moral of the story is that just because you can get away with it and always have so far doesn't make it the right thing to do. Two people in our club learned that using small ratchet straps to tie down their Jeeps (one strap to each bumper) wasn't enough. It cost them around $50,000 in Jeeps and a wrecked truck. They'd always gotten away with using those ratchet straps... but that didn't make it the right thing to do.

This thread was about a whole lot of stupid being displayed in the video. And their stupidity caught up with them.
 
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465 couplers break because they're worn out.

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My coupler is not worn, and I didn't break it, but I did however break the adapter. /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
 
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465 couplers break because they're worn out.

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My coupler is not worn, and I didn't break it, but I did however break the adapter. /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif

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Did it break from a driveshaft bottoming out, bad transmission mount or a bad crossmember????

Typically there's a reason that something like that would break.

m j seems to think it's because the majority of is do not run gaskets.
 
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84chevyK10,
your truck is just the best out there isnt it.

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Not the point.

My point was that the frame bends much easier than it is to break the drivetrain.

Everything CAN break, but in my experience you're far more likely to destroy your frame than break your truck pulling someone out, especially if you're doing it the way those idiots were.
 
nice contribution to the post /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

hey Justin, wanna buy an adapter? i got one that i bought from a member in Ill a few months back. j/k
 
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hey Justin, wanna buy an adapter? i got one that i bought from a member in Ill a few months back. j/k

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You're going to sell him back his own junk?

Now that's LOW! /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
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hey Justin, wanna buy an adapter? i got one that i bought from a member in Ill a few months back. j/k

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Thanks anyways, but I've already got it replaced. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

You wouldn't happen to have a t case shifter bolt would you? I am going back to the dealer in town with a part number to see how much they are gonna rape me for it. /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif

I believe it broke because of hitting the transfer case on the rocks too many times. That adapter has been in this jeep for many years.

I wasn't actually making a useful contribution, just stirring the pot a little.

Through all the time I have been wheeling, we usually use straps to pull each other out, rather than winching, it's usually a lot faster to throw a strap on than use the winch (myself and most of the guys I wheel with have 8274's which are pretty fast). We usually just try to take up the slack then pull, if that doesn't work, we back up and give it a yank. No bent frames, no broken drivetrain either from yanking. I don't necessarily agree with putting a ton of slack in and going balls out to yank someone out. Not because of bent frames, but so the strap doesn't rip, or something like that, at that point it's time to get out the winch. But if you don't have a winch, you do what you have to do.
 
I agree 100%. I have used the winch before in some instances like in the sand pit at badlands when a guy was stuck in a sand bowl. Not wanting to drive down there and risk hitting him to use the strap, and then trying to pull him uphill in the sand, I used the winch.
 
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