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Prototype bumper for cucvs and civilian trucks.
- Thread starter Cucv_M1008
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He welded it and painted it for me, He knows I'm out of commission.
Any idea on the time frame for a civilian version? Or, forgive the newb question, can I find and attach the cucv shackle mounts to a civilian version?
Are there any plans to make a version that also acts as the winch mount?
Are there any plans to make a version that also acts as the winch mount?
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I'm not sure about how he is doing a winch mount, but he will put up renderings of a civilian bumper soon.
nice- although, those two gussets closest to the fairlead slot? those would be in the way of a winch?
I can tell you that using the bumper as a winch mount you need the entire width between the framerails. So the plan for this was to put a separate winch cradle behind the bumper. The further back you have to set it, the harder it is to see the cable spooling. I have heard of broken winch frames from spooling the cable all towards one end. Obviously it would be simpler overall to integrate the winch mount into the bumper, assuming the overall height is tall enough, but the material choices may have to change to be strong enough without using gussets. On the bright side, the fairlead is no longer trying to squash the face of the bumper in, the winch is trying to pull the face out. Also, the mounting brackets should spread further back on the frame with more bolts if it's holding the winch.
The question is what do customers want and are willing to pay for?
Honestly, I question the position of the inner gussets. If the winch drum is wider than that, the cable can drag across the edges of the steel.
The question is what do customers want and are willing to pay for?
Honestly, I question the position of the inner gussets. If the winch drum is wider than that, the cable can drag across the edges of the steel.
I have zero idea of what is the right thing to do. What my ignorant brain wants is a bumper that doesn't need a separte winch mount, AND does not stick out like a southern country front porch. I can see needing the frame reinforcements anyway, which is 2/3 of what the hidden winch mounts are, and that kinda craps on the whole idea of having one thing with two jobs. As is, i'm looking at $500+ for a hidden winch mount and having to cut a hole in my bumper anyway. I hate chrome and have no love for the OEM bumper but mine is miraculously in great shape and not at all in need of throwing away. So, it's $500 for a winch mount and I will eventually paint my bumper. Or maybe $800-$1000 for a kick-ass bumper that doubles as a winch mount. I'm a buy once, cry once kind of guy so the 2-in-1 bumper would be my preference.
MWood379
Newbie
Gentlemen,
Good Afternoon. My name is Marcus Woodard and I am the designer of this bumper and the owner of Diversified Design and Fabrication. I want to thank Matt (Cucv_M1008) for posting about the bumper and answering questions thus far. There are a few questions that I feel that I need to address.
Q: Will I incorporate a winch mount into this bumper?
A: At this point I am not sure if I will. I currently have 2 different designs that are just about ready to prototype. One that mounts in front of the bumper (civilian or mine) and ties in to the CUCV shackle mounts. The other is a feet forward behind the bumper design. Part of the reason for the gussets on the center of my bumper are potential tie in points to my winch mount I am designing. The intent is to be able to run the center part of the bumper without the outer wings. More on that later.
Q: The gussets appear to be too close to the winch cable.
A: This is a legitimate concern. During the testing on my truck, CUCV M1010, I did not run into any issues. I am running a Mile Marker Sec12 behind my bumper on a mount that was welded in. I have since cut out that mount in order to design my own mount. I have attached a photo from my 3D design that shows the view from behind the bumper with the fairlead installed. There is about a 1/4" of clearance between the gusset as shown on Matt's bumper and the vertical roller. If there is still concern, then the gusset can be moved outwards towards the bolts that secure the outer wings and there will be clearance for the winch cable and the fairlead bolts.
Q: When will a civilian version be offered?
A: That is an easy design modification. I can have that done this weekend.
Comments:
I tested Matt's bumper with my truck using an extreme 45+ degree angle coming off of my truck. I did this because I had the same type of pull on my stock bumper and it pulled the passenger side of the bumper towards the truck due to the cable pulling on the passenger fairlead roller. Of course this is an extreme example, but I wanted to make sure my bumper could withstand the same scenario without deforming. On the first test I used one of my prototype bumpers that was not welded and did not have gussets installed. The center of the bumper was not affected but the passenger outer wing did deform. It pushed in towards my truck on the passenger lower bolt. It also pushed in the CUCV shackle on the lower bolt hole. Keep in mind that this bumper had a 3/16" center and 11-gauge outer wings. I went out again with Matt's bumper that I welded (with gussets installed) and there were no issues. This bumper has 3/16" center, gussets, and 10-gauge outer wings. I mention this because it is important that all of the bend reliefs are welded. I had hoped to offer a version of this bumper that did not require any welding, but that will not be happening. I used 1/4 round bar and stich welded that to the back of the bumper. This gave a surface on the front to weld to and helped keep the angle of the outer wings. I include the round bar with the bumper.
The advantage of having a 3-piece bumper is lower shipping costs, and a modular design that can be changed relatively easily. For example, I am working on designing a tube center that uses the regular outer wings, and I am working on tube outer wings that use the regular center. I need to get more tooling before prototyping those. Namely, a mandrel attachment for my Rogue Fab bender. I can also shorten the outer wings for those who bob the front of their trucks.
I operate Diversified after my 9-5 so the best way to contact me is by email. Also, the best way to keep track of what I am working on is through my business facebook or instagram @diversified_design_and_fab.
Hopefully this answers all of the outstanding questions. I look forward to answering any other questions about this bumper or any of my other designs I am working on.
Marcus Woodard, Owner
Diversified Design and Fabrication, LLC
Fort Worth, TX
[email protected]
ddandfab.com
Good Afternoon. My name is Marcus Woodard and I am the designer of this bumper and the owner of Diversified Design and Fabrication. I want to thank Matt (Cucv_M1008) for posting about the bumper and answering questions thus far. There are a few questions that I feel that I need to address.
Q: Will I incorporate a winch mount into this bumper?
A: At this point I am not sure if I will. I currently have 2 different designs that are just about ready to prototype. One that mounts in front of the bumper (civilian or mine) and ties in to the CUCV shackle mounts. The other is a feet forward behind the bumper design. Part of the reason for the gussets on the center of my bumper are potential tie in points to my winch mount I am designing. The intent is to be able to run the center part of the bumper without the outer wings. More on that later.
Q: The gussets appear to be too close to the winch cable.
A: This is a legitimate concern. During the testing on my truck, CUCV M1010, I did not run into any issues. I am running a Mile Marker Sec12 behind my bumper on a mount that was welded in. I have since cut out that mount in order to design my own mount. I have attached a photo from my 3D design that shows the view from behind the bumper with the fairlead installed. There is about a 1/4" of clearance between the gusset as shown on Matt's bumper and the vertical roller. If there is still concern, then the gusset can be moved outwards towards the bolts that secure the outer wings and there will be clearance for the winch cable and the fairlead bolts.
Q: When will a civilian version be offered?
A: That is an easy design modification. I can have that done this weekend.
Comments:
I tested Matt's bumper with my truck using an extreme 45+ degree angle coming off of my truck. I did this because I had the same type of pull on my stock bumper and it pulled the passenger side of the bumper towards the truck due to the cable pulling on the passenger fairlead roller. Of course this is an extreme example, but I wanted to make sure my bumper could withstand the same scenario without deforming. On the first test I used one of my prototype bumpers that was not welded and did not have gussets installed. The center of the bumper was not affected but the passenger outer wing did deform. It pushed in towards my truck on the passenger lower bolt. It also pushed in the CUCV shackle on the lower bolt hole. Keep in mind that this bumper had a 3/16" center and 11-gauge outer wings. I went out again with Matt's bumper that I welded (with gussets installed) and there were no issues. This bumper has 3/16" center, gussets, and 10-gauge outer wings. I mention this because it is important that all of the bend reliefs are welded. I had hoped to offer a version of this bumper that did not require any welding, but that will not be happening. I used 1/4 round bar and stich welded that to the back of the bumper. This gave a surface on the front to weld to and helped keep the angle of the outer wings. I include the round bar with the bumper.
The advantage of having a 3-piece bumper is lower shipping costs, and a modular design that can be changed relatively easily. For example, I am working on designing a tube center that uses the regular outer wings, and I am working on tube outer wings that use the regular center. I need to get more tooling before prototyping those. Namely, a mandrel attachment for my Rogue Fab bender. I can also shorten the outer wings for those who bob the front of their trucks.
I operate Diversified after my 9-5 so the best way to contact me is by email. Also, the best way to keep track of what I am working on is through my business facebook or instagram @diversified_design_and_fab.
Hopefully this answers all of the outstanding questions. I look forward to answering any other questions about this bumper or any of my other designs I am working on.
Marcus Woodard, Owner
Diversified Design and Fabrication, LLC
Fort Worth, TX
[email protected]
ddandfab.com
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MWood379
Newbie
Civilian version with light option added.
