all this fuss over trail fix 16.5 as he has poped them off before. sound like someone needs to do h1 rims for the dubble beedlock. 
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Re-seating a tire on the trail?
- Thread starter Taylormade
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Once I do my 8 lug swap......who knows when that day will come. D60 price tags hurt my feelings. I guess I could run the 14bff and 10b combo with h1's until I run into a deal on a 60!
fallout232
1/2 ton status
You can find a home engineered version of the cheetah bead blasters on ebay for about 100 bucks, I dabbled in the tire business several years ago and had to borrow the name brand cheetah from a local shop on several occasions for stubborn tires. I found a knockoff on ebay and bought it, the guy had sold hundreds of them with good feedback so I took the chance. When I got it in I could not tell the difference in quality of function except for the color of the tank. The welds were immaculate and he used a good quality ball valve. On slow days we used to have alot of fun launching whatever we could find out of the tube on it.
That being said I have seated many a tire with ether and can tell you this much a little goes along way. Once the tire is on the rim A quick shot of ether around the perimeter of the rim into the tire is all it takes. Any more and you risk blowing the tire off the rim. with the associated flying debris. I prefer to use windproof matches and toss them into the tire so you dont have to get so close to the tire in case of explosion.
The match is usually blown back out of the tire as it seats.
That being said I have seated many a tire with ether and can tell you this much a little goes along way. Once the tire is on the rim A quick shot of ether around the perimeter of the rim into the tire is all it takes. Any more and you risk blowing the tire off the rim. with the associated flying debris. I prefer to use windproof matches and toss them into the tire so you dont have to get so close to the tire in case of explosion.
The match is usually blown back out of the tire as it seats.
ZukiJohn
1/2 ton status
reseating beads
I thought i would add my .02....for those that get the tire "reseated" but melt the glue/vavle stem try this..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/192-3742902-1794665?a=B002L9MHDG
I thought i would add my .02....for those that get the tire "reseated" but melt the glue/vavle stem try this..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/192-3742902-1794665?a=B002L9MHDG
Trust me, they are.
Because personally I'd rather have the functionality of OBA and use some ether and a chuck. But I've heard 16.5s are a different animal.
When I bought my Ford new in '89, only two companies made 12.50/33s in mudgrips that would fit an 8 lug rim.
And they were only in 16.5
I had a friend who owned 5 local tire stores. He got me the solid truck rim 16.5s and put on a set of tires.
Since it was partially a DD, he made sure to balance them very well.
About a week later, the darn truck was hopping all over the road. I went back and told him his guy had done a lousy job of balancing them, or I had slung a weight.
He climbed in the truck and had me drive it to his newest store. He had a brand new computerized balancing machine that was the best on the market.
His crew pulled all four off, pulled the weights off and rebalanced them all.
We headed back to his other store. By the time we were half way there, it felt like they had never been balanced.
He had me turn around and go back. This time he had them break all four down and look for something in the tires.
He thinking was that some grease, water, or something was shifting in there.
They were clean and dry.
By the time we got back, they were out of balance again. He told me to go ahead and drive them until he could get some new ones in. He said it had to be the tires themselves and he was going to make the company take them back.
I pulled out of his shop, happened to look back, and saw him running down the road behind me waving his arms.
As I was turning around and leaving, he happened to look at the tires. He noticed that the little chalk marks they put on the sidewall to mark where the valve stem was had moved halfway around the tire.
He remarked them, and I drove around the block, hard.
All four tires spun on the rims with full air pressure, without losing any air that we could tell.
We wound up painting the beads with rubber based contact cement before mounting them.
They held their balance after that.
The other day, one of mine had a nail, and was leaking down slowly.
I went out to put in some air and take it to a tire place, and it had lost the bead sitting still with several pounds of air still in it.
I Really do not like 16.5s.....
ever use one ?
i have. blew the plastic tube apart on the first try. needs to be made of aliminum or somthing stronger. then would be perfect idea.
mine was replaced under warrenty. now collects dust in my box.
i have. blew the plastic tube apart on the first try. needs to be made of aliminum or somthing stronger. then would be perfect idea.
mine was replaced under warrenty. now collects dust in my box.
not saying this dosnt happen. but 10+ years with 16.5 tires and 38-40" tall never had this happen. ether those tires were junk or the rims were defective. this for a tire guy with over 10 years working on tires and vehicles from lawn mower to race cars fresh off the watkins glen race track.
wow Fordum I have run 16.5 quite a bit in years past and never had that problem. I have certainly had them move but not in a block.
When I was running my 16.5s ( I still am but have h1s now) I had to experiment alot to get a good tire pressure, I ended up at around 12 and never had an issue. I would spin them on the rim occasionally but I balanced them with bbs and never had an issue.
When I was running my 16.5s ( I still am but have h1s now) I had to experiment alot to get a good tire pressure, I ended up at around 12 and never had an issue. I would spin them on the rim occasionally but I balanced them with bbs and never had an issue.
It definitely did with those tires.
And I could do it from a standing start.
Remember this was in '89, so my numbers may be off, but as I remember I had about 40psi in them.
I could wind the engine up a little with the brakes on, release the brakes and stomp it to chirp the tires and the back chalk marks would move two or three inches.
As for the tires, I don't for the life of me remember what brand they were. Goodrich's I think, but there were only two companies making them.
But, these were brand new tires on brand new rims, so slick paint, slick bead?
The glue fixed it, and when those tires wore out, we wirebrushed the rim beads to get the old glue off.
At some point, I bought a set and forgot to tell the tire guy to use glue.
My friend had hit hard times and sold out all his stores and moved away.
So they just put the tires on as is.
I'm still running the same rims, and don't remember any problems lately. I suspect after they got some wear, rust and pitting on them, they quit doing it.
But the bead did break sitting in front of the house with enough air in the tire that I was going to carefully drive it around to the air compressor.
I noticed it when I drove in.
I put up some groceries, and walked out to crank it and it was off the bead when I started to get in.
And I could do it from a standing start.
Remember this was in '89, so my numbers may be off, but as I remember I had about 40psi in them.
I could wind the engine up a little with the brakes on, release the brakes and stomp it to chirp the tires and the back chalk marks would move two or three inches.
As for the tires, I don't for the life of me remember what brand they were. Goodrich's I think, but there were only two companies making them.
But, these were brand new tires on brand new rims, so slick paint, slick bead?
The glue fixed it, and when those tires wore out, we wirebrushed the rim beads to get the old glue off.
At some point, I bought a set and forgot to tell the tire guy to use glue.
My friend had hit hard times and sold out all his stores and moved away.
So they just put the tires on as is.
I'm still running the same rims, and don't remember any problems lately. I suspect after they got some wear, rust and pitting on them, they quit doing it.
But the bead did break sitting in front of the house with enough air in the tire that I was going to carefully drive it around to the air compressor.
I noticed it when I drove in.
I put up some groceries, and walked out to crank it and it was off the bead when I started to get in.
I have had that happen before. Just sitting there about 5 lbs in em walked away and turn back and both beads broken. The wind is strong in Idaho though
I have drove on my 35x12.50x16.5" BFG's with zero pressure in them, to get to the air compressor and not lost a bead. I guess I just don't have problems with mine???
Martin
Martin
owenst7
1/2 ton status
Keep in mind that rim width/section width and the sidewall profile is even more significant with a 16.5 than it is with a rim with a safety bead. Not to mention the general construction of the tire like bead thickness and sidewall flexibility. Hell, with as imperfect as the process of tire construction is, I wouldn't be surprised if the ID of a tire varies quite a bit even from lot number to lot number. That would make a huge difference in how much friction there was between the rim and the bead.
Hit or miss I think, one of my tires had nearly nothing in it cause I burped it some, it stayed on the bead till I got done with the section I was on
