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REALLY STRONG ½TON REAR END?

Hey Tyler,
Isn't it amazing how I made an opinionated statement, backed it up with past experience and PICTURES, AND I made not one personal attack...yet, I get personally attacked??? ...then they point their fingers at me!! ....children.

Everything I stated was IMO....I guess they cant read or they are partially blind??

I even gave this advice to the original poster:
"If you must stay 6 lug, go with the 14B semi-floater."

This entire thread (at least for me) has been about the strength issues of the 1/2 ton rears....isn't that the title of the thread??

Man, people that are forced to stay 1/2 ton (or people that have spent a fortune on 1/2 ton and wish they had something strong and reliable) are easily stirred. .....pity
 
I know what you said, you also said you don't even fourwheel /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif how can you claim 1/2 ton axles are able to endure abuse to "serious" wheeling when your claims of how great an axle is, is from someone other than yourself? I've seen a honda run 10's in the 1/4, and a built v8 car only do 15's, don't mean that all hondas are race cars /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
 
Some people can afford to buy things like Jeff did to build up an axle over a period of time more then they can afford to go one ton. It's not cheap (you got rims, maybe new shafts, figure out steering, all kinds of things you can do if you want certain results). I am finding that out for sure! But say someone was to build up over 2-3 years. If they can afford that, and it works, then it's all good. Yeah it might cost more over the long run, but not everyone can upfront pay for things at one time. This option allows for people to build up who don't have the upfront budget to do so...
 
I agree, but that doesnt change the answer to the question of how to build a really strong 1/2 ton rear end....

If you are forced to live with a 1/2 ton rear end, at least be an adult and admit they are fragile!
 
when my transportation is broke, I don't have two years to build it, axle from pickapart=$150, two steel 8lug15" rims from 4wheel parts=$90, brake job kragen=$85, wheeling with out having to worry priceless. if you can't afford that at once, break out the visa /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
I have mixed feelings on this whole debate.

I personally run 3/4 ton axles under my truck right now. I don't "plan" on a D60 frontend. If one comes up at a price I can't refuse I will take it and use it. If not the 10 bolt front stays. I am planning chromo shafts for the front to beef it up later, but I also plan on 37" MTR's and a steady diet of rocks. I know now that I have to have at LEAST 37" tires to stay up with the guys in AZ on the trails after going out with them. Mostly because the 14bff is a land anchor (even with 37's), and the guys are a little sick in the head. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

I can vouch for Marv and Rob's heavy duty beatings of 1/2ton axles. I have seen it in person. They take no prisoners (look at there trucks). I have seen straighter sheetmetal on cars that just went threw the crusher. 1/2 ton's CAN hold up to a point. But everything has its breaking point.

Personally for my next trail rig (as my current truck is staying somewhat sain) I am planning on following in Marv and Rob's lead. 1/2 ton, because it works, its cheap, it holds up, and it has better ground clearence.

Next Project goes as follows: Blazer (don't care what year)

250 or 292 I6, TH350, doubler, 1/2tons w/4.56's & full case lockers, and 37" MTR's.

I personally will not put up any fit for a 10 bolt rear though. I broke mine (actually the govlock) with 32's. A 12 bolt is the lowest axle on the totem pole of things that can work IMO.
 
from seeing pictures from those az guys i'm perty damn sure they wheel hard. and most of them are running 1/2 "junk" as ya'll like to call it. i personally wanna go 1 ton but won't for a while. i am going to get a 14 bolt for the feeling of not breaking much but to say that 1/2 ton axles are junk is very ignorant on your part. go to the arizona forumn and look at their pictures. i'm sure you'll see they are hardcore.

jacob
 
I never said they were the same. I have said they can be built to take a beating with the right upgrades. I think you can do a lot with them if you have the time, energy, and the money. But in a stock form, there is no comparing them to a 1 ton axle. It'd be like comparing the skills of the Kings to a high school team. They both play basketball and can win games, but each are in a different league of their own... upgrading step by step is merely an option for those who want something beefer, but can't drop the upfront bucks down...
 
I missed a lot in a couple days.Like said earlier.My first rig was 72 K5,402BB,465,12B,44,with 3.08 and 35 gumbos.Ran the wee out of it with no probs.Also ran 88SWB IFS,10B.Broke rear twice in 6 months after going to 35s.1 guvloc,1 axle.Guvloc on street,axle on helocopter pad{Tellico}.Then on 69 eaton 1ton and IFS till Detroit wore out{broke on street}in 98.IFS held up till I went to 38s.Now un 10.25 sterling rear and HiPin D60 front.Most hard wheelin was in Tellico area.I like the 1ton stuff,but,did OK on 1/2 for 8-10 yrs.Also run the supposed to be junk Gertrag 5spd.1/2T works for a lot of people,but,the 1ton is stronger.This has been interesting post though.I went 1ton cause it was cheaper than building up 1/2T stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
Well I am saying two years to add in upgrades. You can drive it around like normal while you are saving for alloy shafts. When you get em, swap em... then onto the next upgrade... some people gotta do that. A functioning work in progress! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
like I said, I call them junk based on my own experience, nothing pesonal to anyone, sorry to offend anyone especially you bubba ray, if I have seen the abuse the axles(12 bolts) could take, maybe my arugment would be the same as yours, but like you, I base my statements only on what I have seen and experienced, this debate could go on forever but I'm out,so good day all /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif
 
Another look at this awesome 1/2 ton BEEF.

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Did you even notice how the ring gear on the 30 sp carrier grenaded itself when that awesome 10 bolt carrier failed??
 
And your point would be? Like I've said previously, I've also seen 14FF breakage, so with I could very easily say that they are junk, which I don't nor have ever claimed.
 
Arguing with people over the Internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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ATTENTION TO ALL FUTURE POSTERS OF THIS THREAD........................

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD IN IT'S ENTIRITY. IF YOU INSIST ON ASKING ME A QUESTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED IN THIS THREAD, I WILL IGNORE YOU. I HAVE HAD THE COMMON COURTESY TO READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, I EXPECT NO LESS FROM YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION!

[/ QUOTE ] I've been following this thread from the begining. Lots of good points from both sides. Don't care for the dissin', but really good points of view from both sides. Just wondering why nobody has brought up Rockwell axles !!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif
 
come by ya my lord come by ya, cant we all just be friends and call it a draw? some luck out some dont, I will admit that I didn't wheel 5 minutes of my 12 bolt simply based on this web site and what has been brought up, no I went and droped in a 14 bolt with a facory posi and spring pearches already moved plus an open carrier for a spare for when I get a detroit that same 200.00 would have otherwise been spent on new 4.56 gears and install kit for the 12 bolt while the 14 bolt came with 4.56 gears....I got lucky /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Every one has there own ideas and "MASTER PLAN" so why not sit back and just let them amaze us with what they can do with a 1/2 ton rear. to some weight is a factor as well as clearence more so than beef.

After all isn't pushing the envelope how great products and idea's get develped and marketed any how? come on let's give it up /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif just chalk this one up there with abortion and capital punishment never will the debate end /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

that is untill those 1/2 ton do do's realize what there missing out on /forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif j/k
 
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Well I am saying two years to add in upgrades. You can drive it around like normal while you are saving for alloy shafts. When you get em, swap em... then onto the next upgrade... some people gotta do that. A functioning work in progress! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

[/ QUOTE ] My plans are to install the set of 3/4 ton axles I've got. Run the D44 up front till I can afford a D60. Probley be running with a D44 for quite a few years.
 
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