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REALLY STRONG ½TON REAR END?

the end result is that there are too many factors to consider the poster should imo state his driveing intentions style and terrain to concoured before all these opinions/experiences come out and start a debate that starts to go a little off topic
BTW my 1/2 ton $h!t lived through 38 boggers and a heavy right foot until i went 14 ff but anyway enjoy the sport with what you have!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/usaflag.gif /forums/images/graemlins/k5.gif
 
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should learn to keep there mouth shut.

[/ QUOTE ] That's just wrong !!!!! I suport the bigger then 1/2 ton arguement, but I respect Bubba's and everyone else's opinion about the 1/2 ton axles. I don't see anything wrong with debating, but personal attacks are uncalled for !!!!
 
Put all the petty bickering aside, and there has been some good debating in this thread.
 
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I will state it again.
Really strong 1/2 ton rear ends don't exist!

blah, blah, blah....upset are we????

Run your half ton junk....spend all the money in the world on it.....who cares!

Don't cry too loud when it breaks.



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I agree with everything you have said Bubba and the others who are open minded to what everyone is doing. As for others it is sad to see some people stuck in the bigger is badder no matter what you are doing world which is a bad combo when giving advice. "Really strong 1/2 ton rear ends don't exist." comment is on the same level as "My daddy can beat up your daddy." Come on, grow up a little.
 
Ok,

I could not resist, I have to drop my .02 on this one, as I have a few other time, and once again, I don't post much unless it means something, or I feel strong about something.

Here goes:

1. I too run 1/2 ton gear, and get this, I don't have warn shafts in the front and run CTM ujoints. I run cheap joints and stock shafts in the front. In the rear I run stock GM 12 bolt axles with reverse offset rims, and an ATron disk brake kit.

2. I have not, and I repeat have not broke a rear axle since my wheeling has started. I have wheeled the east coast, in Tellico, and have wheeled the west coast, AZ, Farmington, and Moab. I run a doubler with 4:11 gears with 35" MTR's and let me asure everyone reading this post, I am not shy about how I drive and or what I drive over, I also run a Tune Port Injected 350, that puts out some major torque, along with I'm probably one of the heaviest 1st gens on this board. My blazer scales in around 6100 lbs. I have absolutely wheeled the dog $hit out of my blazer and I have hit the rocks hard, and I mean hard, we wheel just about every other weekend. I drive the POS to and from the trail head, it's not pretty but it works.

3. I have broken my share of D44 parts in the east, Tellico is hard core on D44 parts, But I have been in the west now for about 2 1/5 years and have only broken 1 short side front D44, and this was not while driving, but rather winching FWP off about a 6 ft straight up waterfall, while stopped. I wheeled in Farmington for another 4 days after Blazer Bash this year, and once again wheeled the Dog $hit out of it, and nothing, no breakage.

3. Please read this very carefully "If you wheel in the rocks, a 14 Bolt is a boat anchor, I repeat a boat anchor", If you wheel in the rocks you better be thinking about the clearance you have in the rear end, cause a 14blt catches everything. If you don't beleive me ask SMP or FWP. That does not mean it wont work, but clearance is everything in the rocks.

4. To each their own. I got no issues with thoese who run 1 ton gear, but to bash the 1/2 guys is nuts /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif.

5. Anyone who thinks I'm full of $hit, needs to take a trip to AZ /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif, hell I'll even let you stay at my house and take a run with some of us Zonies /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif. I can promise you, the only mall cruizer you will see here is the ones we are passing on the way to the trail head /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. The real test is what works for you. But be careful to bash the 1/2 ton guys /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif, cause I'm one of them, and I can promise thoese who bash us, we will take you to the rocks and make you a beliver. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

NOTE: I am absolutely not going to get into a pissing match about my post here, /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif it's simply a statement towards the 1/2 ton crowd . I wheel enough to not have to debate much on this topic, but I love these type of posts, /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif they seem to get everyones $hit warmed up. /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif Bottom line, "LETS GO WHEELING!!!"

Thanks,
Robzilla
 
I know its hard to accept (since they come OEM and you've spent all your hard earned cash on it) but the fact remains:

Really Strong 1/2 ton rear ends do not exist.

Dead issue.....moving on. Have a nice day.
 
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I know its hard to accept (since they come OEM and you've spent all your hard earned cash on it) but the fact remains:


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This proves my point. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
What I own has NOTHING to do with the facts concerning strength of 1/2 ton axles. That is what you seem to have a hard time getting /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. Me and others do not feel that what we have is the best just because we own it. 1/2 ton axles or not. Its facts that matter. The fact remains there can be a really strong 1/2 ton axle.

By the way, you do not know everything I own. You also do not know what I spend all of my money on or have spent my money on. /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

When you become a big time professor and spend your life on testing and constantly retesting every 4wheel drive part out there, then you can come to us with proof that a strong 1/2 ton axle does not exist. Don't forget you need to find every single one out there and test it. Let us know when you are done. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
still going /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif will if you guys are callin this a debate this is what I have to say- the 1/2 ton guys show proof that a 12 bolt can and will hold up, me reading that on a computer screen isn't the greatest proof, I've stated my "proof" by telling everyone that I blew up 12 bolts a few times, now I'm running a 14bff the only way to prove that a 12 bolt won't break to me is let me drive your rig I'll blow it up, you drive mine, and your not going to be able to blow up the 14bff, the 14bff probably exceeds in strength over anything in the drive line, 12 bolts no. really the arugment is silly, everyone knows the weakest link is what's going to break, the ultimate rig is where everything is equally strong, and if you ask me the 12 bolt is the weakest link /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif but it's cool if the 1/2 ton guys insist on the 12 bolt fine, but when I'm far from home I worry about things like blowin my motor, tranny, I don't want to worry about axles too, sure you can be careful and cautious not to break anything but what's the fun in that /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
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And thank you for adding absolutely NOTHING to this thread!
 
I have had nothing but a 10 bolt ever, never had it offroad, but I thought I'd jump in here because everyone else is.

My observation from reading and other research I've done is that driving style may have a LOT to do with what holds up where. I'm not saying this is the answer, just my observations.

Some people wheel with their foot in the floorboard and 300+ HP, gonna put some stress on the drivetrain. Then there are finesse wheelers who use the bare minimum throttle to get where they're going. Also, different parts of the country, different terrain. Different suspension and motor setups may change the amount of stress being put on components as well. That's why 1 guy can consistently blow up axles and other can make 10 bolts last. I don't think there's a right answer, I think it just comes down to what you make work for you. I'd be happy with a 12 bolt right now, but I'm running stock stuff.

Again, not speaking from experience here, so I may be completely up my own A$$, but this makes sense to me. Anybody else agree or disagree with me?
 
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I have had nothing but a 10 bolt ever, never had it offroad, but I thought I'd jump in here because everyone else is.

My observation from reading and other research I've done is that driving style may have a LOT to do with what holds up where. I'm not saying this is the answer, just my observations.

Some people wheel with their foot in the floorboard and 300+ HP, gonna put some stress on the drivetrain. Then there are finesse wheelers who use the bare minimum throttle to get where they're going. Also, different parts of the country, different terrain. Different suspension and motor setups may change the amount of stress being put on components as well. That's why 1 guy can consistently blow up axles and other can make 10 bolts last. I don't think there's a right answer, I think it just comes down to what you make work for you. I'd be happy with a 12 bolt right now, but I'm running stock stuff.

Again, not speaking from experience here, so I may be completely up my own A$$, but this makes sense to me. Anybody else agree or disagree with me?

[/ QUOTE ] I'd have to agree with you. I bought a 14 Bolt FF becouse I destroyed 3 12 bolt axles in my first K5. At the time I had it, I was younger and did beat vichiles alot harder then I do now, but I want the piece of mind not having to worry about it when I'm 20 miles or so off any road out in the forest. My 12 bolt could very well last, but I would have needed to regear both front and rear (Factory 308's) and I came acrost a set of axles from a 78 3/4 ton pick up for $250.00 . Gears I wanted, + piece of mind.
 
I personally am going to go 1 ton because I want the peace of mind as well, plus the brag factor. I'll be taking my son with me offroad, and I don't want to get stuck anywhere with him. I refuse to put a lift and bigger tires on until I get the new axles either...that's just me though. I don't know how I drive offroad yet either, I don't think my truck is ready to go offroad, too many things need to be done before I feel safe with it. But if someone gave me a 12 bolt, I'd slap it on my truck right quick.
 
I've already got the 6" lift in. Looks goofy with the stock size tires on it, but ohwell. I've got most the parts I need to finish it, but I still need to get the tires yet. I'm not in a major hurry becouse I need to get some bills taken care of first.
 
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My observation from reading and other research I've done is that driving style may have a LOT to do with what holds up where. I'm not saying this is the answer, just my observations.

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Yup, I would say that would probably be 90% of the problem right there. It's one thing to go hammer down a fireroad, but doing it on pavement adds so much stress to the components that stuff fails faster.
 
Being reliable is a major goal for mine. I like to hit the back wood trails that don't see much use. So The mods I'd recomened would be: 3/4 Ton axles (cheaper then 1 Ton, but 1 Ton is better) and either a 4" or 6" suspension lift, and 33" to 36" tires. Now I don't know how you feel about trimming fenders, so I'll leave that one alone. That'll get ya out in the woods. Oh yea and don't forget the 383 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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