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Rear End Noise

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Well I got my driveshaft back today and installed it to give it a test run to make sure everything cleared ok and whatnot. When I get to going down the road my rear end (14bff, 5.13's & Detroit) starts whining like hell and gets louder as it gets faster under acceleration. But when I take my foot off the gas for it to coast, it stops. I've never ran this low of a gear before and didn't know if it was going to sound like that or not but I know it shouldn't be roaring like it is. My 10 bolt in my old truck started doing the same thing just before the rear end went out in it. Do y'all think it may just need to be re-shimmed? I hope I don't have to have the gears replaced because that will mean more down time. I'll pull the cover asap to check where the gears are riding and gets pics to see what everyone thinks. Thanks!
 
sounds like the driveshaft angle. the shackle slip might be tilting your pinion up too much. snap some pics of your rear driveshaft angles
 
Who setup the gears in your rear end?

It really sounds like the gears aren't setup right. If you've been driving it like that for any amount of time its probably too late to save the R&P.
 
I don't know who set them up. I bought the axle as is and was told it might have 1000 miles on it. I'm going to pull the cover off today when I get home and inspect the gears. Hopefully I just need to adjut the backlash. :confused:
 
check the oil

reminds me of a scene in "sling blade", where Billy Bob's character says, "It ain't got no gais in it, unh-hunh." (Answer to the question, why the lawn mower won't start.)

possible you got the u-joint backwards from where it was, or inadvertently tightened the pinion nut, when you reinstalled the drive shaft?

pull the wheels and see if an oil seal is leaking.
 
thats really weird. the shop that set them up is a reputable shop in MD. i can give them a call and see what kind of warrantee they have. hopefully there is nothing major. due to the distance, i dont know how much they will be able to do, but i will call them. pull the cover and make sure everything is suposed to be there. i never had this issue :confused:
 
I pulled the cover a little while ago and everything looked fine. No marks, scars or wear patterns on the ring gear teeth. I sprayed everything down with brake cleaner to get all of the old lube out. It looked like Nesquick. I do have a driver side axle seal leaking like a sift though but it still had plenty of lube in the diff. I spun the tires over a few times (it's on jackstands) and looked the ring gear over good. I'd post pics now but the net is down and I've got my laptop hooked up through my cell. I'll try to post pics tonight when I get to work.
 
Diff Pics

I pulled the cover and rotated everything around and everything looks good. I don't have a micrometer to check backlash (not that I would know what the hell I was doing anyway) but there is no noticeable play when I rotate the drive shaft. Here's a couple pics.


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diagnostic

That ring gear is beautiful. Good pattern. If you can't measure the backlash (btw, you need a dial indicator, not a micrometer for that), try turning the ring gear with a breaker bar on the bolts that hold it to the carrier. You should feel a very slight click as you move it back and forth, but it should move too little for you to be able to see it, relative to the pinion. You should be able to feel it contact each side of the pinion gear, but should not feel sloppy. My guess from looking at the picture is that it's already set up much better than most are, unless you've polished up those teeth somehow.

I'd start it up with the cover off and no oil in it. put the trans in low with both rear wheels off the ground and the wheels & drums removed. Don't make it go too fast, or do this for too long, 'cause lack of lubrication will cause damage over time. You could spray some wd-40 or CRC lubricant on the ring gear, that'll help.

Take a solid metal rod about, say, 18 inches long and use it as a stethiscope. when the axles are turning and the ring gear is rotating, stick the metal rod up to the inner axle bearing retainer caps, one after the other, with the other end stuck up to the bony place right behind your ear. That'll let you hear what's going on fairly precisely. do the same thing with the outer axle bearings and with the pinion bearing at front part of the diff, behind the u-joint, on the third member (sticky-out thing that houses the pinion shaft). See if all those bearings sound ok. YOu shouldn't hear any grinding or rumbling, just a smooth whirr from each of those spots. Any of those bearings will make the kind of whining noise you mentioned if they're going bad.

If you can dismiss each of those as the culprit, I'd guess that the whine is coming from the transmission. Did you see that it has fluid? The power steering pump can make the same kind of sound if it's low, too.

Btw, you do have 4wd disengaged, and the hubs unlocked, right?
 
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That ring gear is beautiful. Good pattern. If you can't measure the backlash (btw, you need a dial indicator, not a micrometer for that), try turning the ring gear with a breaker bar on the bolts that hold it to the carrier. You should feel a very slight click as you move it back and forth, but it should move too little for you to be able to see it, relative to the pinion. You should be able to feel it contact each side of the pinion gear, but should not feel sloppy. My guess from looking at the picture is that it's already set up much better than most are, unless you've polished up those teeth somehow.

I'd start it up with the cover off and no oil in it. put the trans in low with both rear wheels off the ground and the wheels & drums removed. Don't make it go too fast, or do this for too long, 'cause lack of lubrication will cause damage over time. You could spray some wd-40 or CRC lubricant on the ring gear, that'll help.

Take a solid metal rod about, say, 18 inches long and use it as a stethiscope. when the axles are turning and the ring gear is rotating, stick the metal rod up to the inner axle bearing retainer caps, one after the other, with the other end stuck up to the bony place right behind your ear. That'll let you hear what's going on fairly precisely. do the same thing with the outer axle bearings and with the pinion bearing at front part of the diff, behind the u-joint, on the third member (sticky-out thing that houses the pinion shaft). See if all those bearings sound ok. YOu shouldn't hear any grinding or rumbling, just a smooth whirr from each of those spots. Any of those bearings will make the kind of whining noise you mentioned if they're going bad.

If you can dismiss each of those as the culprit, I'd guess that the whine is coming from the transmission. Did you see that it has fluid? The power steering pump can make the same kind of sound if it's low, too.

Btw, you do have 4wd disengaged, and the hubs unlocked, right?
Believe it or not I did this. And it goes to show I don't know anything about setting up gears (referring to my tool terminology, lol). I don't have my front Drive shaft yet so the front end was on the ground but I did have it in 4 lo and tried it also in 2wd. As far as I can tell the noise is coming from the pinion. I'm guessing the pinion bearing has gone bad. The only thing I did to the gears was spray everything down with brake cleaner to get all of the old diff lube off of everything. I don't know if this means anything because I don't know when it was put there, but scribed on the ring gear it has written: "05-05-67 BL 0.009". I've read that's almost dead on perfect for backlash. I'm going to call a buddy of mine on Monday to see if he can ride by the house with a dial indicator and some marking compound.
 
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I changed both hub seals out today and filled the diff up with fluid. Took 5 quarts to fill up enough to be able to stick my pinky in the filler hole and touch fluid. Still making the same racket. The noise is there all the time just a hell of a lot more while under acceleration. Each time I take it out and drive it for a mile or so I stop, get out and feel the drive shaft (both ends where the joints are), pinion housing, rear end cover, and tail shaft of the TC. Everything is still cool to the touch. I need to try and get someone to ride with me in it that knows about stuff like this so maybe they can diagnose the problem. If by chance it's the TC (I don't know why it would be, it wasn't making any noise before I swapped the axle out) I've got another in my old Z71 that's still good I can swap in.
 
check the driveshaft

The only thing you've changed is the driveshaft. You didn't say what you'd had done to it. You've cleaned up the rear end, fixed problems with oil seals and ensured plenty of oil in the differential.

Logically, the one thing you changed is the culprit. I'd take the driveshaft back out, take it to whomever you took it to before and tell them what the problem is. My guess is that someone did a bad job of balancing the driveshaft or one of the balancing weights that was spot-welded on got knocked off in transit. Bet you anything the driveshaft is out of balance.

I'd at least check on it.
 
Well I just got back from a buddy's shop and had him ride with me. We hadn't gone maybe 50-75 yards and he said "pinion bearing!". Great. We got it up on the rack so he could check the play in the yoke. He grabbed where the drive shaft bolts to the yoke and moved it up and down and he said the bearings were shot. Good thing I was able to get some overtime in on my next paycheck. :(
 
anybody thinking that with the pinion pointed up so high that it wasn't getting enough gear oil, and that's why it went bad?
 

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