Stomis
Professional Amateur
I dont get it. The angle from point a to point b is the same whether you do 9 flippy dips to get there or have a straight bar.
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Regret loss of rag joint?
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I dont get it. The angle from point a to point b is the same whether you do 9 flippy dips to get there or have a straight bar.
That is exactly my point. So many people think the bend changes geometry.
Stomis
Professional Amateur
Got ya. For some reason I read it like you were saying the opposite lol.
bp71k5
3/4 ton status
For reference I have a borgenson joint and crossover and my steering is tons better than anything it was before. I also used the rubber steering isolator (kinda does a similar thing to a rag joint) from borgenson and maybe that helps.
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I have an XJ steering shaft and no rag joint anywhere in my steering and I have no bump steer anymore. When I had 52" springs the bump steer was terrible. Hit a big pot hole and my wheel would get ripped out of my hands. 3-link with a track bar the same length and angle as the drag link keeps there from being any bump steer now.
I think my Bilsteins are pretty soft too. I wonder if tunable shocks would help, if I stiffened them up for the road?
badmix
1/2 ton status
I would think that would cause more problems, too stiff and it wont absorb the road and just jerk you all around. Our work vans run 75psi in the tires and have HD springs, i hate hitting washboard type bumps in the road, its horrible.
Im running 5150s w/ Rough country 2" springs, no sway bar and I love the ride, its a bit too soft for hardcore wheeling, ill stuff the tires pretty easily, but for street driving and mild trails, its a dream to drive. Can hit speed bumps full speed and barely feel em.
That's often the claim, but not often the reality. I would say that cross-over has less bumpsteer than 'uncorrected' push-pull steering. Corrected push-pull vs Cross-over the cross-over will have more bump steer.
More drag link angle, more bump steer.
More drag link angle, more bump steer.
Here's what I have going on, just for the record:
bp71k5
3/4 ton status
What's your steering shaft setup look like?
Everything in factory spots except factory shaft replaced with U-joint Borgeson.
bp71k5
3/4 ton status
Did you use the borgenson isolator? It's supposed to dampen road vibrations.
See, you keep talking about an isolator, and I don't remember such a thing.
Maybe that's only for earlier trucks / boxes?
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I searched but could find nothing about this for our trucks. One MG or something site talked about it. For the later K5's, it was rag joint or nothing. I'm really curious how the rag joint Borgeson would feel.
how about correct cross over vs. correct push pull for apples and apples.
bp71k5
3/4 ton status
Its a universal thing. It's a combination universal joint with a rubber vibration dampener in it.
Here's the link:
http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/catalog/Vibration_Reducers-orderby_0-p-1-c-3.html
Here's a pic of mine:
bp71k5
3/4 ton status
Also, any chance your super flexy springs are hitting the drag link when the leaves compress on a bump?
Stomis
Professional Amateur
Its a universal thing. It's a combination universal joint with a rubber vibration dampener in it.
Here's the link:
http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/catalog/Vibration_Reducers-orderby_0-p-1-c-3.html
Here's a pic of mine:
Indeed. The borgeson joint has an isolator built in over the top of the ujoint. So its not like you're w/o anything. Unless you ordered new hotrod U joints for custom Dshaft etc. Often times those have no isolator because theyre pretty much made to have multiple joints in the system and you only need 1 isolator.
