CK5
Register an account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members.

Regret loss of rag joint?

hence why we use / like jeep shaft . 2 u-joints and rubber isolator and CHEEP compared to borgeson shaft .

I run the jeep shaft in my plow truck stubby j.r. with push/pull setup .
 
There's no isolator on the version I bought, just plain u-joint. There's a rag joint version too.

88-00008.jpg
 
Well theres your problem. Sell that to a pro-touring guy and get yourself an XJ shaft. You dont even have to junkyard them anymore. Theres a guy on ebay that sells them for a decent price, blasted, painted, and new bolts for cheap.
 
Well theres your problem. Sell that to a pro-touring guy and get yourself an XJ shaft. You dont even have to junkyard them anymore. Theres a guy on ebay that sells them for a decent price, blasted, painted, and new bolts for cheap.

we tried to tell him xj shaft in his old post :whistle::popcorn:

call them up and see if you can buy/swap on the other joint with isolator.
 
True he could switch the one u joint out and cash out on the extra for probably 90c on the dollar. Fuggin $45 a pop u joints...
 
True he could switch the one u joint out and cash out on the extra for probably 90c on the dollar. Fuggin $45 a pop u joints...

$45, hell... I contacted Borgeson and they said I could replace the lower joint with the vibration reuducer:

http://www.amazon.com/Borgeson-034931-Universal-Joint/dp/B004A65UF0

$107.

I think I'll see if I can get used to it the way it is. It's not like it'll eliminate all the bumpsteer anyway, just the higher frequency jitters.
 
I don't regret mine (yet) and I do have the borgeson with push/pull steering. I did notice the bumps and can feel the steering pump at full lock. I hope it gets better with crossover but I also have a smaller aftermarket wheel so I grip it lightly and it doesn't bother me that much. Considering how loose my steering was before, I can live with it.

I still need to get better shocks and leafs so if it does start to bug me, I might consider that isolator...

image_zps9c1a62fa.jpg


image_zps20704387.jpg
 
Well a standard U joint is around $45. I was saying you could probably sell one and recoup some towards the damper.

I know. The price of this thing just kinda blew my mind. I don't want to know how much a stainless one would be...
 
I have crossover and an XJ shaft in my 1990 K5. I also have hydraulic assist, I don't notice anything.

Martin
 
Ok, I read through the whole thing and have to hit a couple of points. If nothing more than to get them out of my head.

1) If you have crossover steering, and hit a pothole with your passenger side tire, you will feel it. Opposite goes for push-pull steering, if you hit a pothole with your driver side tire, you will feel it. If both set ups are correct (meaning a flat draglink) than both will react similar. However, once the hole becomes BIG, the limitations of the push-pull steering will be felt.

2) XJ shafts have the isolator, which is nice. The only problem is they are normally loose and cracked by the time they are available at the junkyard. I have sold several XJ shafts here. I ask before welding normally, but highly recommend welding the isolator solid. If anyone is hellbent on running an isolator, don't buy an XJ shaft from a junkyard. You will probably end up reporting back that it made your steering worse, internet lied to you, impregnated your daughter, etc etc.

3) Adam, you really should run a steering stabilizer. I remember thinking I didn't need one on my quad while at the dunes; since sand is soft. OMFG it's so much better with one. Mastiff, I don't know why you are getting "jitters" on the freeway or why bumps are causing you problems. I would ask yourself "where is this truck going" and then see if hydro assist is an option. If you are dropping the money for ORD front springs, then you should be planning to wheel it. If you are going to wheel it, well some sort of assist should be in the cards.

4) I'm curious if there could be something else going on. I'm thinking it through but haven't come up with anything good. Maybe the axle is moving side to side, which would affect crossover steering. If you have push-pull you wouldn't notice it. Or maybe you have funky tires, balance, locked hub you don't know about, caster angle, or whatever.

LASTLY 5) I run 38" tires. These tires are only balanced with air soft BBs. They have MASSIVE chunks missing from them. I have a Detroit rear. Crossover steering with a straight draglink that is angled down. Welded XJ Shaft. Springless kingpins, DIY4x engine mounts. Hydro assist. The entire front suspension, steering, and bearings are new. So, I'll break that down for everyone :D. Crazy locker, welded steering shaft, stiffer engine mounts, crossover, straight draglink that is angled, and chunked tires. Why does my truck drive so god damn nice?!?! :haha: Maybe hydro assist? Dunno, but it drives so straight, so non-eventful, so pleasureful, and soooo much better than most everything newer I drive :doah:that it must be a freak. :dunno:

Skip to 4 min mark. I've had it up to 90 and it's the same. Engine just doesn't like it. :whistle:


[youtube]9SpY-nf3-fU[/youtube]
 
Mastiff, I don't know why you are getting "jitters" on the freeway or why bumps are causing you problems. I would ask yourself "where is this truck going" and then see if hydro assist is an option. If you are dropping the money for ORD front springs, then you should be planning to wheel it. If you are going to wheel it, well some sort of assist should be in the cards.
My setup isn't so much different than Mastiff and I also noticed that bumps move the steering wheel more with crossover than they did with push-pull (and of course I already explained why that is earlier). It doesn't mean there's a problem, it's just something to get used to. I don't know what these "jitters" are, though. ORD springs aren't just for wheeling. They also make the rig enjoyable on the street.
 
Top Bottom