Response to Tim in Shaggy's post (re: Allison tranny)

[joez]

RJF, give it up. We all know the Cummins guys are getting a lot more power than that, but with a LOT more work. These guys are adding propane, and computer mods and hitting #'s that your precious cummins guys need more than 5K dollars worth of new parts to reach. Your damn ISB is not the be-all and end-all motor like you think it is, so STFU and quit acting like it is.

And yes, im in a bad mood right now.

 

[rjfguitar]

I am not at all going to say the dmax isn't capable of hitting the high numbers the cummins has and is making it is just that they can't yet from the lack of aftermarket support.

Like I said, I don't think the dmax is not capable of matching the cummins numbers, I'm sure it is but won't get it until you see them with twins, new cam, etc.

I will say it for the last time, I don't doubt the dmax will be able to match the cummins power numbers, I do however, doubt that it will be able to match the cummins without twins and a cam. I am not a fan of pumping tons of drugs trying to "make up for" not having enough air from a pair of twins. The dmax is a very capable engine, it just needs MORE hardparts from the aftermarket.

If and when the aftermarket designs and mass produces those parts for the dmax, like the ISB, I'm sure the Dmax will be right there with the cummins, and maybe even beat it. This is basically what I have been saying since this thread started.

Read the thread. How many times do I have to mention that I think the Dmax is fully capable of reaching the same numbers as the ISB? Maybe even more! I just think the single advantage the ISB has is it has a HUGE aftermarket following, unlike the dmax, but will eventually catch up IHMO and we will really see some challenging numbers from the dmax.

 

[rjfguitar]

RJF, give it up. We all know the Cummins guys are getting a lot more power than that, but with a LOT more work. These guys are adding propane, and computer mods and hitting #'s that your precious cummins guys need more than 5K dollars worth of new parts to reach. Your damn ISB is not the be-all and end-all motor like you think it is,

I don't care how much money it takes, bottom line is that the cummins ISB has not been beaten. The Dmax with "just propane, computer mods" is not touching what the cummins are completely modified. When twins are in place with better injectors on the dmax, the ISB will probably not be the top power pusher anymore. The fact that more power can be made with the dmax vs. an ISB with say $1,500 is a dead issue because it is pretty much a fact....but thats not what I care about...it's both engines modified to the max with what is available today, tommorrow will probably be a different story.

so STFU and quit acting like it is. And yes, im in a bad mood right now.

Grow up, get on the internet when you are off the r#g.

 

[joez]

Ever since you got your dodge you think the cummins is the best thing since sliced bread. You sound exactly like a damn ricer in this thread. "well with more money and more work the cummins is still better"

Although i will give you some credit, you do realize that when the aftermarket catches up to the D-max your ISB is gonna be left in smoke, even if you dont quite see it that way yet.....

 

[BlueBlazer]

I agree, he does talk up his truck way too much, but the 12 valve Cummins will never be topped no matter what kind of aftermarket support the Dmax gets. The turbo and injectors already seem to be well matched for the engine and any effort the aftermarket has will probably only result in small gains. Its all drugs and software for the Dmax, after that there is not much left. I will say that I have gained much respect for that engine seeing what it can do with only software changes, but as far as best of the best the 12 valve Cummins will always be king and it does this with less displacement.

 

[rjfguitar]

I'm not even talking about my truck here. I am talking about the max numbers people are getting out of these engines currently, both the cummins and dmax.

Ricers? Oh please.

The dmax will never leave the cummins in "smoke." It may one day match the cummins and maybe put a few more max ponies down on the dyno than the cummins but neither will ever have much of a gain over each other IMHO. Refer to The post above.

You are just brand loyal.

 

[rjfguitar]

I agree, he does talk up his truck way too much,

I think the only time I mentioned my own truck in this thread was when there was a small discussion about the transmissions.....

 

[joez]

Yes, the mechanical 12valve will always remain king, that is a given. The ISB is not. I have a huge ammount of respect for the numbers that both them(isb) and the D-max are putting down, but the D-max is doing it with a lot less. Do i think there is still a lot left in them? Yes, i think Isuzu designed one hell of a motor and i will not be shocked when a D-max breaks 2000 ft/lbs of torque, when the aftermarket is there for it. Do i think with unlimited funds and mods the 12v will still be the reigning champ, you bet. I may be an ass, but im not an idiot.

As for being brand loyal, please. If it werent for the accident i was in, there would be two toyota's, a dodge, a honda and a bowtie sitting in my driveway. I just get sick of your constant dodge praisal, leave it at TDR.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Agreed, when you said ISB I assumed you meant all Cummins since most do not know that a 12 valve and ISB are not the same thing, obviously you do know the difference so when you say the Dmax can outdo the ISB, you may be correct, no matter how much money and parts is thrown at the ISB, the VP44 just cant flow the fuel.

 

[rjfguitar]

I was refering to the ISB instead of the 6BT simply because the 6BT is a mechanical engine. I figured comparing two electronic diesels would be better since software is so important to the dmax's and ISB's performance. In the ISB's defence, I have read there are some modified hot rod VP44's that flow lots of fuel, but still not as much as the P7100 modified.

 

[Zeus33rd]

Goddamn rjf, you have 13 out of 30 posts on this thread.....