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Rob and Bill’s excellent winter desert adventure.

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I’m going to do something different from my normal trip reports. Usually I would wait to get home and write it up later. This time, cell coverage permitting, I’ll try and post each night. Without further delay, here we go:

Day 1. Truck is ready. It’s partially packed just short food in the fridge, duffel bag and my new sleeping bag and pillow. I’m up early, one I’m at a certain age where that’s just what you do, even if I wanted to sleep in. Second, I was excited to go.

Rolled out of bed at 5:30, cleaned up and packed my bag. Got everything else gathered at the back door ready to load. After loading I take a few to get the navigational aids up, running and recording. My Garmin tracking link

It’s 7:30 and I’m pulling out of the alley. Stop to top the tank off by the interstate and grabbed some caffeine and the obligatory gas station burrito. The cornerstone of any road trip breakfast. No fork required either.

Plan is to meet at Bill’s place in Pueblo. Right I time I pull up and Bill is waiting by his truck. We talk for a few minutes to catch up and decide to hit the road.

I should revisit the topic of the target of our exploring. I had indicated in my other thread the target was Death Valley. Rain right before the holiday flooded some of the roads. Nick has the most experience exploring DV and most of Arizona so we followed his suggestion to start in southeast Arizona and since the forecast for DV improves in 2-3 days we can work our way to it. So that’s the plan. It’s why I met at Bill’s place since it’s on the way.

The new routing avoids crossing wolf creek pass with any possibility of bad weather up there. We just have to cannonball south on I-25 all day. Bill’s idea for a landing spot to park for the night was a good idea to me. We eventually need to go west on I-10 and we can take a state road to cut the corner off versus driving all the way to Las Cruces where they intersect. Brill saw on the map that most of the area is BLM so we’d just look for a flat spot and call it home.

We make good time to Trinidad CO and stop for some food and water we needed to pick up. Also Gas stop number one. 17 gallons from Englewood to Trinidad. 11 and change. Might had a little headwind or I was going closer 80. Could have been both. That number is a little lower than average.

Onward to Raton pass and the state line. The decision had been made over the radio that we would stop for lunch a little later in the city of Las Vegas NM. That had us doing lunch a little later, so much so we weren’t hungry much for dinner.

High plains and some of the mountains is all the view is from this part of NM.

We stopped in Las Vegas and hit up the McDonalds. I did shout “wolverines!” As I crested the hill and saw the town finally. For those that didn’t know Las Vegas NM is were the original RED DAWN movie was filmed. Bill also told me today that parts of the movie Convoy was filmed there too. I was also informed of a connection Bill has to both movies. One of Bill’s grade school buddies was an extra in Red Dawn. The same kid who was from that town also met Kris Kristofferson on during the filming of Convoy. Small world I guess.

Lunch being what it was got consumed and we got back on the road. Next fuel stop would shooting for Albuquerque. It was bit windy all the way to Santa Fe. Find a Maverick for some fuel for both of us. 21 gallons over 247 miles right in the same range. We braved the insane traffic through ABQ and made it out the other side unscathed.

The sun setting just days after the winter solstice still robs us natural sunlight to drive by sooner than we would like. We did have a pretty nice sunset though.

Rest of the time is in the dark. Our pace slows a little but we push through. Finally we make out turn off at the town of Hatch. Well known for the local crop of Green chiles too. We talked earlier about stopping for dinner in town but by the time we rolled through, nothing looked open. We drove through town and were watching for dirt roads into BLM land. First spot ended up being here a cattle feed lot that wasn’t in use, but smelled something awful. Driving away from the smell Bill sees a county road across from us and we go for it. A few turns and we find a nice flat spot to park. I pull gear out of the back and get the diesel heater going. Temps was at 63 when we stopped. Slight breeze makes it feel cold sooner. 10 minutes and it’s much warmer in the camper.

I talked to Bill for a while and we both decided to turn in. Heater had the camper toasty and warm. Worked up this page and it’s time to crash.

Total mileage today 640.
 
Morning update. The sleeping bag was perfect. Shut the diesel heater down after I climbed in and stayed warm all night. Woke up at 5:30 (see any trend here?) reached an arm out of my bag and kicked the heater on. 55 degrees pretty much on every surface. Toasty 86 inside my bag btw. Curious, I started a timer to see how long it would take to take the chill off the air inside the camper. 7 min 30 sec and the surface temps were at 65 degrees. The crispy air feeling inside the camper melted away. A full 15 minutes had it another 10 degrees warmer. My CO detector reading 4 zeros was comforting too. It also reads temp and it was showing 70 degrees where I plugged it in.

The furnace is a total game changer. Simple and efficient. The sleeping bag is as well. My normal 40 degree bag would work if I let the heater run all night, but the new one was so much better. Plus by kicking the heater off I’m not killing the house battery with it running all night.

Time to go pester Bill and get him rolling. Our third explorer Nick has his 12v clacking away in SE Arizona waiting for us.

I call this, sunrise over Waggy.

Time to find a Maverick for a burrito.
 
Morning update. The sleeping bag was perfect. Shut the diesel heater down after I climbed in and stayed warm all night. Woke up at 5:30 (see any trend here?) reached an arm out of my bag and kicked the heater on. 55 degrees pretty much on every surface. Toasty 86 inside my bag btw. Curious, I started a timer to see how long it would take to take the chill off the air inside the camper. 7 min 30 sec and the surface temps were at 65 degrees. The crispy air feeling inside the camper melted away. A full 15 minutes had it another 10 degrees warmer. My CO detector reading 4 zeros was comforting too. It also reads temp and it was showing 70 degrees where I plugged it in.

The furnace is a total game changer. Simple and efficient. The sleeping bag is as well. My normal 40 degree bag would work if I let the heater run all night, but the new one was so much better. Plus by kicking the heater off I’m not killing the house battery with it running all night.

Time to go pester Bill and get him rolling. Our third explorer Nick has his 12v clacking away in SE Arizona waiting for us.

I call this, sunrise over Waggy.

Time to find a Maverick for a burrito.
I like their burritos but man I went yesterday and they are so expensive now.
 
Morning update. The sleeping bag was perfect. Shut the diesel heater down after I climbed in and stayed warm all night. Woke up at 5:30 (see any trend here?) reached an arm out of my bag and kicked the heater on. 55 degrees pretty much on every surface. Toasty 86 inside my bag btw. Curious, I started a timer to see how long it would take to take the chill off the air inside the camper. 7 min 30 sec and the surface temps were at 65 degrees. The crispy air feeling inside the camper melted away. A full 15 minutes had it another 10 degrees warmer. My CO detector reading 4 zeros was comforting too. It also reads temp and it was showing 70 degrees where I plugged it in.

The furnace is a total game changer. Simple and efficient.
 
I like their burritos but man I went yesterday and they are so expensive now.
Despite the cost, not many gas stations the variety and quality that MAVERIK has.
Subscribed for the envy.

I miss that part of the country.

I had a friend who lived in Hatch. Not with us as of last year.
I figured you would miss it. The more I explore ax the more I like.
Thanks for sharing the story and the views.

Safe travels.
Always dude. I love sharing stuff like this. I love this type of travel and hope to inspire others to go explore too. Get the truck off of jack stands, make sure it’s reliable and go find a dirt road. Explore! I realize I’m not getting any younger and eventually may not be physically up for the task so I better do what I can while I can. Hopefully others pick up on the same thing and go do it too.
 
Ok onto today’s fun. As I indicated in my morning update (posted just a few minutes ago since I neglected to hit post reply this morning) the heater and sleeping bag were awesome. Bill was still sleeping but eventually got rolling.


Wheels turning by 7:30. Bill texted Nick to let him know. The plan is to meet in Benson AZ. We have a great two lane road to run down to Demming NM. I saw a Blakes Lottabutger and knew they had great breakfast burritos and would bet they would be full of hatch green chilis. Plus I was going to gas up. Blake’s is a New Mexico burger joint in line with whataburger in tx. Good stuff.
Camp shots. Gotta love waking up to the view when you park in the dark.




Many Blake’s lack drive through windows also. As the one in Demming is set up. So I park and go inside. One guy working and a plain clothes cop is waiting for an order. The guy working tells me this might take a while. A couple to few minutes isn’t a big deal. That is until I realize the cop isn’t just ordering for himself. He’s got a full sheet of paper with everyone of his coworkers orders. And he’s got the credit cards for each one to pay for individually. Realizing the it might take a while could be a half hour or more if he takes each order and processes it one at a time. I cut bait and walk out.

I get fuel across the street and we hit I-10. While the two lane was great, pretty views and the sunrise poking through puffy clouds the look due west on the interstate was ugly. Dark rain clouds directly in our path.



Compared to the rain on I-10.

We make it to Benson and see a strange orange Suburban in the restaurant parking lot.

To Be continued in the morning.
 
Morning update. The sleeping bag was perfect. Shut the diesel heater down after I climbed in and stayed warm all night. Woke up at 5:30 (see any trend here?) reached an arm out of my bag and kicked the heater on. 55 degrees pretty much on every surface. Toasty 86 inside my bag btw. Curious, I started a timer to see how long it would take to take the chill off the air inside the camper. 7 min 30 sec and the surface temps were at 65 degrees. The crispy air feeling inside the camper melted away. A full 15 minutes had it another 10 degrees warmer. My CO detector reading 4 zeros was comforting too. It also reads temp and it was showing 70 degrees where I plugged it in.

The furnace is a total game changer. Simple and efficient.
Look up, you already did post this in the morning
 
Look up, you already did post this in the morning
Now I see it. I still had it in the reply box like I didn’t hit the button. Geeze. :haha:


Ok continuing where I left off. Had a good late breakfast with Nick at an awesome local joint called “The Horseshoe”. I got my burrito fix, much better than my gas station fare. We caught up for a while and then figured out where to go.

First up not to far out of town is Kartchner Caverns state park. The plan was to do a cave tour and boogie back out. Pulled in and found out the tour was sold out. A quick regroup and we point the trucks to Tombstone. Yes, that one from the old west movies. Considering it’s a Saturday between holidays it was crawling with tourists. Nick and Bill both have been there and tell me it’s every kitschy tourist stop you’ve ever done and then some. I’ve witnessed the “cattle drive” (quotes used ironically) at the Ft. Worth stockyards recently and all the lemming tourists there, I’m good without stopping. Nick did say if one does want to stop, the museum in the old courthouse is the place to go. Actual history, not actors having a simulated gunfight in the ok corral every day at noon or whenever they do it.





Well we scoot right out the other side of town and head for Bisbee. Bisbee is an old copper mining town cut out of the sides of a tight little canyon. It reminded me of Jerome AZ in the way the town is situated on the side of a mountain. Nick having explored both mentioned that both towns are similar with parallel timelines when they were founded, what the main material they mined for, when they ended mining and a resurgence of tourism afterwards. Nick runs us through town on the highway and then takes us into the center of town to experience it. Massive loads of people are here but we weren’t planning on getting out. Traffic is tight and slow enough I’m creeping around in granny gear to stay off the clutch.

Here are some pics above and in town.







Just outside of town is the pit mine. It’s deep!

Pic dump:





Continued.
 
Just past the mine is the town of Lowell and it’s know for the Main Street full of old cars. Most of the buildings are empty but some have things you can look at through the windows. We just cruised it since we were burning daylight and didn’t want to totally set up camp in the dark. Spoiler alert, we did.

The cars:








We chew up some road miles to get to Coronado national monument. It’s right along the US/Mexico border, in spots you can see the wall.

Inside the monument the road we are taking is Montezuma pass. Eventually it turns to a proper dirt road and we start the climb.

The long brown/black line in most of these pics is the border wall.










There’s a little more to catch up on but I’ll do that tonight. I’ve got to start shutting the camper down.
 
Airing up now. Not seeing the pics. Let me know if you all see them or if it’s just spotty cell coverage. I’ll reload them later if need be.
 
how does Bill like using the camper shell? I have had the full slide in campers in the past. I retired hoping to travel and wheel; that hasn't happened. I would like to change that. my plan is to buy a camper shell and set it up for camping in my 2001 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4, or another slide in camper. then either flat tow or trailer my JKUR behind it and start exploring.
I have never had the soft side collapsible truck camper; how is it? I have heard reports of condensation and they are not as weatherproof and cold in winter and hot in summer. but I imagine you would have a lot more room with one of those instead of just a shell. pic of my set up from about 12-13 years ago

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how does Bill like using the camper shell? I have had the full slide in campers in the past. I retired hoping to travel and wheel; that hasn't happened. I would like to change that. my plan is to buy a camper shell and set it up for camping in my 2001 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4, or another slide in camper. then either flat tow or trailer my JKUR behind it and start exploring.
I have never had the soft side collapsible truck camper; how is it? I have heard reports of condensation and they are not as weatherproof and cold in winter and hot in summer. but I imagine you would have a lot more room with one of those instead of just a shell. pic of my set up from about 12-13 years ago

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I had a simple platform in my 8' bed on the crew cab with a camper shell and I dragged the k5 behind with tow bar.
Worked pretty good for a few years until I got married.
All the stuff went under the platform.
I bought a slide but never got the chance to install it then it got stolen.
I think it's doable if it's one or 2 people
 
how does Bill like using the camper shell? I have had the full slide in campers in the past. I retired hoping to travel and wheel; that hasn't happened. I would like to change that. my plan is to buy a camper shell and set it up for camping in my 2001 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4, or another slide in camper. then either flat tow or trailer my JKUR behind it and start exploring.
I have never had the soft side collapsible truck camper; how is it? I have heard reports of condensation and they are not as weatherproof and cold in winter and hot in summer. but I imagine you would have a lot more room with one of those instead of just a shell. pic of my set up from about 12-13 years ago

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Jeff. Bill absolutely loves the shell. He’s got it dialed in for sure. Bill likes that the shell has the slight kick up in height but like the ones that are even taller. Bill can’t stand up so even for him he feels more comfortable and less claustrophobic with the cab high version. He has probably the most comfortable mattress I’ve ever felt anywhere and lots of storage under it.

He has gone with a front to back oriented bed vs the side to side he has now. To have the bed wide enough, he had a narrow run beside it that the wheel tub encroached into. Access to gear sucked. He did add a bedrug in to have a more comfortable floor since it fills the troughs in the bed sheet metal. He makes use of the space well.

As far as the pop up style camper like I have, I like it. Much lower clearance than a hard side. Keeps the cg lower in comparison to a hard side. So heat and cold are a moving target with any camper. I can say this, in hot situations I can air out the camper better with more windows. If we were boondocks camping and no shore power available a hard side would not be able to use a roof air unit to cool down so it would be just as miserable. Obviously the hard side would shine in cold weather with better heat retention by not having canvas walls let the heat right out. However most pop up camper builders offer and optional cold weather pack which consisted of another layer of canvas with a fluffy insulator to hang next to the existing canvas and create an air gap for insulation. Many take them skiing and camp in the parking lots. You need a good heater that can keep ahead of the thermal loss. My old propane forced air unit did awesome heating up the space with a thermostat it would run for10 minutes and shut off for five and repeat all night long. My little vevor is keeping up nicely. But when the heater is shut off it’s a matter of 30-45 minutes before the chill is back in the air. A good furnace fixes all that’s for sure.
I recognize all of that. From many years ago. Actually, decades ago.

Very cool.
I’m betting you’ll recognize more as we go.
I had a simple platform in my 8' bed on the crew cab with a camper shell and I dragged the k5 behind with tow bar.
Worked pretty good for a few years until I got married.
All the stuff went under the platform.
I bought a slide but never got the chance to install it then it got stolen.
I think it's doable if it's one or 2 people
My space is great to go solo. Lots of room. Gets small quick with another person. My son or my ex made it really tight. But mine is shorter than average too. Like a fwc grandby has a lot more room than mine does.
 
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On catching up. The last pic was at the top of Montezuma pass. The west side was a gentle slope vs the other side steeper climb with multiple tight switch backs. Darkness is coming so we are watching for camp spots. As we keep our eyes out for camp there is still a lot of cool stuff to see. Like our closest spot in relation to the actual border is in this pic. The brown short fence is it just past the old church. I was about a 100 yards off from right there.



A loose horse harassed Nick for a while before he held me up too.

Sun is setting on our search.

Eventually we find a place and park. Decent off the road and nice and level.

Then we got one of our new propane campfire kits bill and I each bought at overland expo.

Grilled up some cheeseburgers for the group.

We hung out by the fire until it got really chilly. We broke it up and headed to our homes.

Yesterday’s total mileage 337.4 miles.
 
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Ok going to start covering today’s fun. We made our way back to pavement. We did end up passing border patrol agents on motocross bikes and one with a horse! Plan of attack today is work our way over to I-19 north of Nogales and head to Tucson for the Pima air museum.

First up I-19. National oddity. We were a little ways from it on a side road when I saw the first sign I-19 1km. Yep. Kilometers. Huh? Sure enough Nick pointed out that I-19 is the only interstate highway measured in the metric system. Or has he put it, “communist units” which I thought was funny. He did mention that it was only within the last couple of years that they replaced the metric speed limit signs for MPH we were seeing. Google-fu netted out the details. It was a pilot program from the 70’s when there was a push to change the US to the metric system and it fell flat. Though the locals have not pushed to change it all back because it’s part of the local identity and character. It’s nuts.



We had lunch first before going to Pima. Lunch lineup at Rudy’s. Bill did move as he had to do a little work on a stuck hvac actuator.


Pima was awesome and we spent a good chunk of the afternoon there. I took a ton of pics that I’ll put in here and have to continue on another post.

Pulling along side the museum:









One odd fact here. Those yellow cylinders carried compressed oxygen for the crew. My grandfather picked up one of those cylinders an used it for a homemade air compressor for his garage. I recognized it instantly due to the extra strapping around the cylinder. I remember Dad telling me he used war surplus parts but didn’t know it was from a plane! How cool!



Pima was amazing. But the daylight was getting short and we needed find dirt. We hopped back on I-10 leaving Tucson going southeast and go until Nick tells us to get off.

We get into a target rich area on dirt for camping but keep rolling to the point we know we have the best spot. I think it was. I cooked up some steak for fajitas while Bill warmed up some homemade tamales my ex brother in law gave me at the holiday. A little green chili I warmed up and gringo Mexican is born.
Camp pics:









We hang out by the fire telling stories until it’s too cold to stand it.

Total mileage: 123.2 miles.
 
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Ok more pics from Pima. I should point out that Nick is an unbelievable nut/walking encyclopedia of military aircraft and history. Like having our own tour guide through the place. He and his son have been here many times. He’s rattling off models of every obscure bird at the place. I’m more of a novice, I think it’s really cool but I know know the obvious known planes like the F4, F14,F15,F16,F18 and some of the bigger bomber stuff. A10 and the SR-71 are my personal favorites though. Which they have both at Pima.




Allison V12 engine. Powered many offshore boats and crazy drag cars after the war.

German V1, the first cruise missile that tormented London during the war.


The A10 Warthog. Tank killer, brrrpt machine.


This box represents 1 seconds worth of firing the A10’s cannon. 30mm projectiles.

Crazy looking gears to make the cannon barrels rotate.

SR-71 Blackbird, I’ve never seen one in person and it’s impressive.




 
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