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Roll Cage Talk

Nothing on a cage should be HREW. IMO. The seam can split. Saw it on a lemons car. Had been hit during a race. He had me build a DOM cage.

If you are building a cage for safety, (why else would you build one?) Do not cheap out on material.

Fair enough- thats what I was looking for. Thanks Wade.
 
for the few pieces you need to add the savings is minimal anyway.
 
Nothing on a cage should be HREW. IMO. The seam can split. Saw it on a lemons car. Had been hit during a race. He had me build a DOM cage.

If you are building a cage for safety, (why else would you build one?) Do not cheap out on material.

Sorry, but I don't lend to this thinking. I totally understand that when looking at the numbers, DOM is a bit stronger than HREW (based on the last step they take for DOM in the production faze), however I believe HREW is plenty strong for the average wheeler out there. Wade likes to go fast and jump a huge truck...which is freaking awesome!! So in cases like that, yes DOM should be mandatory on anyone's list. However, for the recreation wheeler out there that "might" see maybe a slight rollover, maybe two, I think HREW will be plenty. IMO, it's more in the design of the cage to withstand hits rather than the actual material. (and I have heard of HREW seems splitting, but in most cases that's because they put the seam on the outside of bends)

To @swettysblazer's question on adding HREW to DOM...according to my understanding as long as the thickness of the tubes are the same, it shouldn't be a problem (aka, if the DOM is .120, then make sure the HREW is .120 wall as well). I will say, that looking at your scenario (buying DIY4x kit and then just adding bracing), @skunked is right that you will probably only need a few sticks and they will all be straight, so the savings isn't as much as if you were building an entire cage from scratch. All I know is doing the numbers on how much tube I used on my cage, if I would have gone DOM, it would have almost been double the cost. And I feel like my HREW cage would hold up just fine. If I had a real bad roll (multiple rolls down the hill), I'm sure the HREW would be destroyed, but I'm confident I would walk away from it. And in that case, the whole truck is destroyed so I would just pull all the good parts off and start on another rig.

Just food for thought from different perspectives is all I'm trying to portrait here
 
Another set of hands is worth it's weight in gold. And even though this is a "kit" from DIY4x, it's still going to take a while to get it installed. Just take your time and try to enjoy the process. When you try to hurry just cause you want to see it done, you will regret it
 
ratchet straps. a hi lift to spread stuff. Some anger, little optimism. If you by yourself some type of clamping system. Don't do it by yourself.

Think ahead. Think about welding, think about the next tube, think about bracing you want to add. Do not final weld until most pieces are in place unless you have to.
 
Ok, so this is going in this weekend....


I wound up ordering the DIY cage. I also have a few sticks of DOM to add to it. Any tips and tricks for a smooth install?

Watch Kert's install videos if you haven't already.
 
I am doing it at the shop with one of the guys who has a tubed out Sami, so he has done it before and it will be a good benefit. I appreciate the advice.

Kerts videos definitely helped.
 
Only from my personal experience, my old K10 I had caged front to rear with 2” .120 wall hrew and it had been through two rollovers and it didn’t even phase it at all.
 
No offense @Fastereddie but you're either under 6' or you lowered your seats. I had a 1.75" cage w/ stock bench in my old K10 and it was a head buster if you weren't careful, 2" would make it crowded.
 
No offense @Fastereddie but you're either under 6' or you lowered your seats. I had a 1.75" cage w/ stock bench in my old K10 and it was a head buster if you weren't careful, 2" would make it crowded.
Haha yeah, I’m only 5’10 with my shoes on. But I had Beard suspension seats mounted to the cage. I’ll try to find a pic of it before and after I cut the body off.
 
Gotcha. Not really much difference in height (I'm arguably 6'-ish) but the seats and mount could certainly make a difference. I found some pics of my truck but the halo has padding on it (post head knocker ride) so it's not easy to see it's height.

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I had already cut off the front tubing as you can see.
I moved the engine back 15” for 50/50 weight. That’s a running driving truck. I miss it so...:(
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Get some 120 grit wheels and grind all the ends and mating surfaces for a clean good weld. Well not so much as a grind but a polish per say
 
I really like my fabricators magnets shaped like triangles to hold stuff in place.
 

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