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So I found this at a wrecking yard

Dmv says if they can find any identification on it then I will be liable for back DMV fees. If no Identification can be found then DMV says I just have to take it to the DOT inspector and it will get a new birthday since its modified in such a drastic way. Ill call CHP tomorrow and see if they agree:)

Well, you probably won't like what i'm about to post but here is what you'll end up dealing with.

Specially Constructed Vehicle

580. A "specially constructed vehicle" is a vehicle which is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacturer. A specially constructed vehicle may be built from (1) a kit; (2) new or used, or a combination of new and used, parts; or (3) a vehicle reported for dismantling, as required by Section 5500 or 11520, which, when reconstructed, does not resemble the original make of the vehicle dismantled. A specially constructed vehicle is not a vehicle which has been repaired or restored to its original design by replacing parts.


Amended Ch. 1286, Stats. 1983. Effective January 1, 1984.

So this vehicle in question could possibly constitute a "specially constructed vehicle".

Specially Constructed Vehicles- Emission Control
What is the Specially Constructed Vehicle Emission Control Program?

Existing law requires most 1976 and newer model year vehicles to pass an emissions control inspection (smog check) prior to original registration, transfer of ownership, and every second annual renewal. Since Specially Constructed Vehicles (SPCNS) are homemade and do not have a manufacturer-assigned model year, they must be taken to a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Referee Station for the original inspection. Upon completion of the inspection, the referee will affix a tamper-resistant label to the vehicle and issue a certificate that establishes the model-year for future inspection purposes.

Per California Vehicle Code §4750.1, the first 500 program applicants in each calendar year may choose whether the inspection is based on the model-year of the engine used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year. If the engine or the vehicle does not sufficiently resemble one previously manufactured, the referee will assign 1960 as the model-year.

After the first 500 vehicles have been registered in any calendar year, all others will be assigned the same model-year as the calendar year in which the application is submitted.

Previously registered vehicles may be included as one of the first 500 applicants in a calendar year and apply for a different model-year determination.
What is an SPCNS Certificate of Sequence?

An SPCNS Certificate of Sequence identifies a vehicle as one for which the owner may choose emission control inspection based on the model-year of the engine used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year. The certificate is issued by DMV Headquarters and will be mailed 7-10 working days after the application is accepted by your local DMV. The certificate must be presented to the BAR Referee Station at the time of inspection.

Per statute, only 500 certificates can be issued in a calendar year. Once the yearly allotment has been issued, applicants must wait until the following year to apply for a certificate.

SPCNS Certificates of Sequence cannot be transferred to a different vehicle or reissued in someone else's name. The seller of a vehicle must provide the buyer with the SPCNS Certificate of Sequence along with the bill of sale and any additional registration documents. In addition, fees deposited in one year cannot be held over for the next year's allocation of certificates.

Note: Due to the limited number of SPCNS Certificates of Sequence available, you may wish to submit your application for registration in person at a local DMV office.

Now "IF" you're one of the first 500 applicants you get to choose if you smog it based on model year or year of engine. If you're unfortunate to be 501 or more applicants then you get to deal with registration based on model year which is the year that you take it to be inspected (in this case 2010 if done this year).

Now assuming you don't fall under the "specially constructed vehicles" part here is what you'll have to deal with in order to register it.

Registration Requirements for Home-Made, Specially Constructed, or Kit Vehicles
A "home-made, specially constructed, or kit vehicle" is a vehicle that is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacturer. These vehicles may be built from a kit, new or used parts, a combination of new and used parts, or a vehicle reported for dismantling (junked) that, when reconstructed, does not resemble the original make of the vehicle that was dismantled.

A specially constructed vehicle (SPCNS) does not include a vehicle that has been repaired or restored to its original design by replacing parts or a vehicle modified from its original design.

Example: A Volkswagen "Beetle" with modified fenders, engine compartment lid, and front end, but still recognizable as a Volkswagen is not considered a specially constructed vehicle.

NOTE: The registration requirements for kit commercial vehicles are the same as for specially constructed vehicles.

The Registration Requirements are:
  • A completed Application for Title or Registration (REG 343).
  • A vehicle verification done by the California Highway Patrol (CHP). You must start your application process with the DMV prior to contacting the CHP for a vehicle verification. DMV verifies trailers with an unladen weight of 6,000 pounds or less.
  • A completed Statement of Construction (REG 5036).
  • Proof of ownership, such as invoices, receipts, manufacturers’ certificates of origin, bills of sale, or junk receipts for the major component parts (engine, frame, transmission, and body).

    NOTE: A motor vehicle bond is required when proof of ownership cannot be obtained for parts valued a $5,000 or more.
  • Official brake and light adjustment certificates. When an official brake and light station that inspects specific vehicles such as motorcycles and large commercial vehicles is not located within a reasonable distance, DMV will accept a Statement of Facts (REG 256) from a repair shop attesting that the brakes and lights are in proper working order. Brake and light certificates are not required for off-highway vehicles or trailers weighing less than 3,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.
  • A weight certificate for commercial vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds or less.
  • An emission control inspection (smog check) by a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Referee Station. Click here for information on SPCNS Certificates of Sequence . To make an appointment at a BAR Referee Station, call 1-800-622-7733.
  • All fees due.
  • Visit your local DMV to begin the application process, make an Appointment(s) for faster service.
This is all from DMV's website.
 
I saw these regulations and seems that it all depends on ones perception. I suppose I could leave the doors off and make it look uglier lol. Basicaly boils down to the ref being able to recognize it as a blazer. Most ppl on here can see what it is but I wonder about those not involved in offroad vehicles. Thanks for the post!
 
Dmv says if they can find any identification on it then I will be liable for back DMV fees. If no Identification can be found then DMV says I just have to take it to the DOT inspector and it will get a new birthday since its modified in such a drastic way. Ill call CHP tomorrow and see if they agree:)


If identification is found on it and it turns out to be stolen, you'd better be able to prove you just bought it, and who you bought it from.

You'll lose your investment but you might stay out of jail.
 
I don't care if the vehicle is stolen or "clean" the VIN is missing and isn't worth all the headaches that I KNOW will come especially being in California.
 
I don't care if the vehicle is stolen or "clean" the VIN is missing and isn't worth all the headaches that I KNOW will come especially being in California.


That's basically what I was saying.
 
I know several people (here in California) that have done this OHV Only registration with their trucks, most notably my cousins Toyota that is early 90's and still looks just like a Toyota, it's exo-caged with no bed and 42's. It STILL looks just like the truck it was built off of though, no one is going to be fooled into thinking it's not a Toyota. An old buddy Chris did it to his Blazer that he towed around too, but it had no body on it at all. Just cage and a floor to bolt seats to.
 
Time will tell...maybe I'll get it and be the guinea pig. Its only $500 not like it's gonna bankrupt me right? Bill of sale = no jail time if it is stolen. Look at it like this I could go to Vegas and blow $500 in an hour. This way I could even learn a lesson or 5
 
Vin #

Dmv says if they can find any identification on it then I will be liable for back DMV fees. If no Identification can be found then DMV says I just have to take it to the DOT inspector and it will get a new birthday since its modified in such a drastic way. Ill call CHP tomorrow and see if they agree:)

CHP will probably find the vin # stamped on the frame. My 80 GMC has it right on the top of the frame by the fuel pump.
 
My '84 K5 came out of a junkyard. It had a VIN, but no title. I live in Nebraska and it took about 10 phone calls to the DMV, 4 trips to the Sherriff's office, 4 trips to the county courthouse and about $150 to get an assembled vehicle title. I had to provide documentation (title or bill of sale) for each major component of the vehicle. It is now titled and registered as a 2009 Assembled Vehicle and I get stopped every time a cop runs my plate because even they don't know the laws on the matter. I live in Nebraska and it was a pain in the kiester. I can only imagine what it would be like in CA.
 
We're definitely different from your state fmstruck.

I had a Plymouth Fury with a VIN but no title, and all I did was provide a bill of sale and fill out a statement of facts to get it a title issued in my name. It took about 3 calls to the DMV to get someone who knew to actually do this, but other than that it was easy.
 
We're definitely different from your state fmstruck.

I had a Plymouth Fury with a VIN but no title, and all I did was provide a bill of sale and fill out a statement of facts to get it a title issued in my name. It took about 3 calls to the DMV to get someone who knew to actually do this, but other than that it was easy.

That and a VIN verification. Done that myself as well.
 
Jeez Scott, don't be so damn negative if you've never done it.:doah:
A friend of mine, who bought a Monte Carlo at auction with no VIN plate, has gotten the CHP to affix a "blue plate" and assigned a new title. He just took all the paperwork from the auction house, and the CHP verified VIN. He DID sit in a holding cell while they verified paperwork, but the system can handle something this simple.
That said, I would look for VIN stamp on the frame, just so you can try to check history on it.
 
Jeez Scott, don't be so damn negative if you've never done it.:doah:
A friend of mine, who bought a Monte Carlo at auction with no VIN plate, has gotten the CHP to affix a "blue plate" and assigned a new title. He just took all the paperwork from the auction house, and the CHP verified VIN. He DID sit in a holding cell while they verified paperwork, but the system can handle something this simple.
That said, I would look for VIN stamp on the frame, just so you can try to check history on it.

So at what point did i say i've never done it. :rolleyes:
 
So at what point did i say i've never done it. :rolleyes:
Oh, I forgot you are the lord of all things automotive, and there's nothing you don't know.:bow::rolleyes:
You posted 10 times as much crap as anybody else, and you never claimed to have done it. I didn't actually state that you had not, but pointing out that you were specificlly bringing book stuff with no comment about personal experience on the matter.


Back on topic, the front clip and cage would at least be useable, even if you don't want to mess with the paperwork end of things. That might at least be worth picking up to make your project easier.
 
He's just trying to be as informative as possible. He is looking at the facts where as I'm looking at taking a chance. 4X4HIGH holds the "I told you so card" LOL....... Oh and by the way, it now sits in my driveway :)
 
Oh, I forgot you are the lord of all things automotive, and there's nothing you don't know.:bow::rolleyes:
You posted 10 times as much crap as anybody else, and you never claimed to have done it. I didn't actually state that you had not, but pointing out that you were specificlly bringing book stuff with no comment about personal experience on the matter.

Well i can see that you obviously have a problem with me. I never said "i'm the lord of all things automotive" but since YOU did i'm guessing you're just jealous that i know ALOT about the automotive world. Let me set the record straight, I DO NOT know everything nor does anyone else. Some people just happen to know alot more than others (take that how you want). I doubt i posted 10x's "as much crap" but what i did post is FACTUAL information. The OP asked what we think so i gave him the FACTS and it is up to him to decide what he does with those FACTS.

I did not know i had to tell everybody here that i did or did not do something. :rolleyes: What does matter is the way DMV will handle the situation (could widely be handled differently at each DMV location) but if they go into THEIR rules i have POSTED THE FACTS.

With that being said i don't think you or i need to communicate with each other or about each other in the future. :deal:
 
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