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Someone buy this so I dont have to....

original balzer said:
not for 18K
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Ehh, for a complete ready to go rig with a TON of work done that seems like a fair price to ask. I think most people ask more than they expect to get so if you could get it in the $15k range it'd be worth it.

After watching the cummins sub' and Demon's cummin's 1 ton build threads on here I can appreciate how much work it takes to do the swap.

Something I've always wondered about these swaps though is smog... I know you can swap in any engine you want as long as it's the same or larger displacement as the current one, came in the same year or newer vehicle and has all the emissions equipment that came stock on the engine being swapped in.... so what do guys do when going from a gasser to diesel?
 
Avery4jc said:
Ehh, for a complete ready to go rig with a TON of work done that seems like a fair price to ask. I think most people ask more than they expect to get so if you could get it in the $15k range it'd be worth it.

After watching the cummins sub' and Demon's cummin's 1 ton build threads on here I can appreciate how much work it takes to do the swap.

Something I've always wondered about these swaps though is smog... I know you can swap in any engine you want as long as it's the same or larger displacement as the current one, came in the same year or newer vehicle and has all the emissions equipment that came stock on the engine being swapped in.... so what do guys do when going from a gasser to diesel?
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Well, note that smog is a state thing, and while we don't have the safety inspections that the east coasters bitch about, we do have nasty smog.

Anyway, in CA's case, as I understand it: To convert a gas truck to diesel you tell the DMV, they have a referee station inspect it, and they change the VIN. More time consuming, filling out forms and jumping through hoops than costly.

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dremu said:
Well, note that smog is a state thing, and while we don't have the safety inspections that the east coasters bitch about, we do have nasty smog.

Anyway, in CA's case, as I understand it: To convert a gas truck to diesel you tell the DMV, they have a referee station inspect it, and they change the VIN. More time consuming, filling out forms and jumping through hoops than costly.

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Hmm, I wasn't sure it was even possible to do legally around here. A 12V sure would be nice in the crew cab! Ahhh, but I can only dream. :D
 
For 18K you would think a guy would take more than 4 pictures!!
Sheesh, no wonder it didn't sell.

And yeah, for 18K you can get a much newer dually diesel.
 
howdiy said:
You can get newer model dodge diesel crew cabs dually's for that price
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And what's your point? You say that like newer is better or something. What kind of an idiot would drive a newer model dodge if something like that was available? That truck has the best diesel engine, the best tranny (presuming a 94+ donor truck), best t-case, best axles, and the best looking body style ever produced in North America. Not to mention power leather seats, lift kit, nice tire/rim combo, etc.

He didn't get 18K for it just because of the economy, but he's got more than that into it I can guarantee, and if it's a clean install and the body is good it's worth every penny. He'd be way smarter to hang onto it until the economy turns around if he could.
 
I wanna know what kind of manual tranny.... If it was the 4500 with a 205 adapted to it, that'd be nice, but if it's a 465 adapted to a Cummins....ewwww!:D
 
Wrench said:
And what's your point? You say that like newer is better or something. What kind of an idiot would drive a newer model dodge if something like that was available? That truck has the best diesel engine, the best tranny (presuming a 94+ donor truck), best t-case, best axles, and the best looking body style ever produced in North America. Not to mention power leather seats, lift kit, nice tire/rim combo, etc.

He didn't get 18K for it just because of the economy, but he's got more than that into it I can guarantee, and if it's a clean install and the body is good it's worth every penny. He'd be way smarter to hang onto it until the economy turns around if he could.
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That part is why I would want a newer truck, plus they have nicer interiors
 
He didnt get it because nobody gets what they want for custom built vehicles.

Just the way it is. A custom vehicle has to be just exactly what someone with money wants.

If your going to set a high price tag your vehicle had better be perfect.

Im not going to sugar coat anything just break it down in simple engrish. The truck if it was stock 2500-3500 tops. Mid way seams fair so $3000 value. Just because it happens to be a desired truck on this web comunity doesnt up the real world value. Custom paint, doesnt really add much value to it or any other vehicle. What I mean by that is a $300 pinto with a $10,000 paint job doesnt make it a $10,300 pinto. Besides that the trucks paint is damaged anyway. So lets give the paint $500 value. Ok the cummins swap, Look on the web you can get them for around $2000-$4000. Give the high side because it is a custom swap. Lift tires and wheels as we all know are worth crap once they are used despite what they cost new. so give $500 for those.
The interior sadly dont get squat because is all it is is some crusty old leather seats from a dodge.

OK lets do some math.
$3000 truck
$500 custom yet damaged paint
$4000 for the cummins swap
$500 lift and wheels.

$8000 And Im not even trying to be mean. This is just the way I see it. I know it sucks for the guy that built it and it sucks for anyone that builds a custom vehicle but its just the way the world works.

And Wrench, not to start a pissin match here but you said the best this and best that, Sorry to say but thats your oppinion. Granted one that may be shared by lots of folks here on this site, but its not everyones point of veiw. I happen to know my brother would totaly disagree with you. He would say a duramax, allison, ect. in that truck would be better.

People watch Barret Jackson and think they can get those kind of prices or even a fraction of those kind of prices for what they build. They are fooling themselves. I am outraged by what they do get at those types of auctions but when you really look at the cars they sell they are pretty damn close to perfect. This truck, while a far cry from a turd, is still a far cry from being an 18k truck. Why buy new or newer? you would have to ask every person because Im sure they all have differnt answers to that question. Like a newer truck hasnt had as many farts blown into the seats.

I know it sucks to hear the truth.

Several years ago, I myself bought a 91 chevy for 10k I ended up putting 12k into it and I got 5k out of it, and that was after a year of trying to sell it.
 
To answer the smog question.

Diesels didnt really have strict smog laws until 05 or 06, witch makes older diesels exempt a lot of the time. That opens up several loop holes in the engine swap catagory.
 
Wrench said:
And what's your point? You say that like newer is better or something. What kind of an idiot would drive a newer model dodge if something like that was available? That truck has the best diesel engine, the best tranny (presuming a 94+ donor truck), best t-case, best axles, and the best looking body style ever produced in North America.
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Preach on brother......couldnt have said it better myself:waytogo:
 
OK lets do some math.
$3000 truck
$500 custom yet damaged paint
$4000 for the cummins swap
$500 lift and wheels.

$8000 And Im not even trying to be mean. This is just the way I see it. I know it sucks for the guy that built it and it sucks for anyone that builds a custom vehicle but its just the way the world works.



your way off let me see some one do a cummins swap with the engine mods listed for 4000.00 its not possible. the lift buy it self is 500.00 by the time its all said and done and the wheel tire combo is probaly 300-500 a piece. Not to mention the South Bend Clutch . and the list goes on .

As some one whos done the cummins swap it takes alot more money than you web wrenchers think and it also takes way more time . 18,000 and the guy might be braking even MIGHT .


Now would I pay that much probaly not but I think paying 55,000 for a New truck that isn't really what I want is Dumb as well
 
original balzer said:
Ok the cummins swap, Look on the web you can get them for around $2000-$4000.
OK lets do some math.
$3000 truck
$500 custom yet damaged paint
$4000 for the cummins swap
$500 lift and wheels.
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Yep, you can buy a used engine or donor truck for 2-4000, but ask Demon44, he's in the middle of it--the engine mods listed and all the little things that are part of a non-factory install make a Cummins swap a $10000 project for most people, and that doesn't include time.

The rest of your numbers are buyer's perspective, whatever, I'd talk like that if I was bargaining too. My post was about what he had into it, and why as a buyer he'd ask what he did.

original balzer said:
And Wrench, not to start a pissin match here but you said the best this and best that, Sorry to say but thats your oppinion. Granted one that may be shared by lots of folks here on this site, but its not everyones point of veiw. I happen to know my brother would totaly disagree with you. He would say a duramax, allison, ect. in that truck would be better.
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I know that's my opinion, that's why I said it :whistle: I'm not on this forum to promote your brother's opinion. :rolleyes: You don't have to be sorry about anything, I'm not sorry I disagree with your brother and he shouldn't be either.

original balzer said:
I know it sucks to hear the truth.
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Truth? I have my opinion, you have yours, where's the truth? The truth is that the seller thought the truck was worth 18G, and the bidders didn't. All the rest is just opinion.

original balzer said:
Several years ago, I myself bought a 91 chevy for 10k I ended up putting 12k into it and I got 5k out of it, and that was after a year of trying to sell it.
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Sucks to be you I guess, it really is too bad you had to sell. I just try not to sell my projects, one of these days I'll likely get a kick in the teeth. :deal:

Not trying to be an a$$, but I was just stating my opinion like everyone else, I don't need the "real world" explained to me ;):dunno:
 
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howdiy said:
That part is why I would want a newer truck, plus they have nicer interiors
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That's where we differ, and that's fine.

I own three 1981-1991 trucks, that's what I drive for work and for fun, and it's by choice, not because I can't afford something newer. Only reason I wouldn't pay 18G for that truck is that I'd rather build it myself, knowing full well I'd probably end up putting that much into it over time.
 
To me there are engine swaps and there are ENGINE SWAPS. I've not done one of these, but I think it's one of the more difficult.

The thing is, some swaps are so well done the finished product looks like it left the factory that way. Others are total hack jobs. They may start with a nice vehicle and a neat concept but the execution is pathetic.

With no pictures of the engine compartment to go by, the seller doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

I know a fellow who does first class work and does 4BT Cummins conversions into Toyota LandCruisers. He does a very nice job and the cost of the swap (parts and labor) is over $15K. Almost $13K is in parts.

But, we don't know the ebay seller, don't know his reputation, haven't seen his work.

It's a very unique truck, and if done well I think it's a fair price, even cheap. If it's not done well it will be a major headache for the buyer, virtually at any price.

It's the seller's job to convince a prospective buyer that he has done a first rate job in performing the conversion. He didn't do that (at least not to me).
 
original balzer said:
To answer the smog question.

Diesels didnt really have strict smog laws until 05 or 06, witch makes older diesels exempt a lot of the time. That opens up several loop holes in the engine swap catagory.
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The question was about swapping a diesel in a truck that's currently a gasser... not swapping a diesel into a truck that's already a diesel.
 
where to even start. well a stock, used, probably mile'd '94-'98 12v you can get for 2-4K never mind the oringed head and work. or a whole POS truck like where i got mine. yes swaps are costly. and time consuming. no you'll never get your money out of it. a south bend DD 3850 clutch...sledpuller clutch not real street friendly. some do it but its not. I had a SBC DD 3600 in my dodge. not daily driver friendly no matter what people say.

its all personal oppinion there is no truth or fact. its worth what you can get someone to pay you for it. IMO I like my '97 CC DRW body style waaaay more than the 88-91 CC like that :deal:
 
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