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Someone tried to give me some crap about American Made......

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And to tell the truth I was at a loss for words.......

If you don't see the benefit of buying American Made products I'm not sure you would understand the explaination as to why that is important.

To put it in a nutshell, you or your neighbor makes something and sells it, the money spent making it is spent here (USA) and the profit is spent here too and you or your neighbor have a job from making it.

The product produced overseas may be of equal quality and price but that is rarely the case because the company that takes their manufacturing overseas is is doing it to make it for less and that also usually means they are making it as cheaply as they can which results in lower standards, lighter materials, cheaper steel, ect....

The company that makes the products in the USA is usually doing it to maintain higher standards and have better oversight on quality. Of course there are exceptions to this but it is generally true.

To be honest, I don't know of any brake brackets or fabricated covers being made overseas but I do know of lots of other parts wheelers use that are and the quality and strength just don't measure up.

Anyway, rant over, sometimes I just need to get it out of my system.......

But I am happy to see CK5 mostly deals with products made in North America, made by companies that spend the money here and employ people here.......I really don't have anything against Canadian or Austrailian made products, those countries require a real wage to be paid so its not artificial competition........Just keep the Indian & Chinese stuff over there, those products cost us jobs........
 
It wasn't that he wanted a foreign part.....

Someone actually wanted foreign made parts? Why?

But he tried to defend China's trade practices which are the biggest part of the problem. I think he was a greeter at walmart (little china)!
 
Can you make me some 14 bolt disk brake brakes out of 1/8 Chinese plastic. This will be going on my daily driver.

Tks.
 
Its funny that you say that in particular......

Can you make me some 14 bolt disk brake brakes out of 1/8 Chinese plastic. This will be going on my daily driver.

Tks.

I will take a pic of a pair of one of the popular "imported" shock brackets next to a pair of ours and post it. They advertise them as 1/4" and sell them for $1 more than ours, they "might" be 1/4 of a centimeter thick, they are less than 1/8" and advertised at 1/4", and of course Chinese steel.
 
I will take a pic of a pair of one of the popular "imported" shock brackets next to a pair of ours and post it. They advertise them as 1/4" and sell them for $1 more than ours, they "might" be 1/4 of a centimeter thick, they are less than 1/8" and advertised at 1/4", and of course Chinese steel.

Lol thats some funny sh!t:haha:
 
American made all the way!! I hear Poison Spider Customs is going to have all their products made in China soon. Damn jeepers
 
American made all the way!! I hear Poison Spider Customs is going to have all their products made in China soon. Damn jeepers


IF that is true, that company will not be around for too many more years.
 
Do we still have any tire manf. here in the USA?

I can think of four.

1) Goodyear Tire although some of them are made in Canada, the MTR is made here at home and I think they treat their employees decent.

2) Cooper Tire and I don't know any imports with them

3) Interco Tire as far as I know.

4) B.F. Goodrich is another good quality tire

I like seeing threads like this. It is good to see some true patriots. Irony to me is someone who sticks a made in China magnetic, "I support our troops" sticker on their Hyundai. Keep up the good word.
 
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I don't really think of myself as a patriot......

I just think when we stop making things ourselves we will be at the worlds mercy. The true power of the US is the ability to think and do. A service society cannot exist, and even the service part is being contracted out to India, as in the call centers. I had a DSL problem last week and called ATT & was connected to a call center in the Philipines and he conferenced in a tech that was in India. I speak 5 languages and both I and the Philipino guy could not even begin to understand the Indian guy. And that was AT&T.

I actually believe in the true globalization of things but it has to be on an even footing. I don't really have a problem buying something from a country that treats the employees fairly and pays a fair wage but China is out for it all and US business loves it. The only way to stop it is to stop buying China made products. And many US businesses just play nasty, like the Walmart case around 15 years ago about made in USA tags on their clothing, the TAGS were the only thing made in the USA, just nasty & wrong but it was determined to be legal, slimey.......

Its' up to us to fight them, US businesses are only interested in profits, not US citizens.
 
...like the Walmart case around 15 years ago about made in USA tags on their clothing, the TAGS were the only thing made in the USA, just nasty & wrong but it was determined to be legal, slimey...

And Walmart isn't the only place doing that... my step-mother used to work for a coat company. She recieved a 99% complete coat made in India or wherever, sewed on the zipper and a tag that said "Made in the USA" then it went out a door into the retail store to be sold at a price equal to that of products made in the USA. The end user got lesser quality at the same price :doah:
 
Just slimey to even consider doing it.......

Complete missrepsentation, yet our countries legal system says ok, we are holding the knife to our own throats.......and driving down the bumpy road.
 
Excellent discussion..

one other aspect of the equation is the fact that retailers ( such as wal mart) and even summit racing can force the issue by refusing to pay over X-amount for a given product, thus insuring a part needs to be made overseas( or made very cheaply here, with slave wages, or cheap ingredients or lower grade parts) if the company wants to sell through those retailers.

case in point: I used to work in an aluminum foundry ( 87 - 95) here in cleveland, that made the trick flow cylinder heads when they first came out.. we worked all of the bugs out of the process, and ran three shifts making the things.. we were a union shop, btw.. after a time, we moved production of these heads to our subsidiaries in ravenna and rootstown ohio, which were non union, so the labor cost didn't get passed to summit, and thus the consumer..

we did this with a lot of products.. we'd get the contracts to do work for GM, ford and chrysler to make things like four cylinder jeep intake manifolds, the intakes for the 5.0 cobra and the viper.

we'd make an amount at the union shop to satisfy the UAW contract calling for union suppliers, then farm out the rest to the non union shop where the guys made half of what we did.. the only thing we kept in house were the aerospace and defense castings we did..we used to make the fuel pumps for the M1 abrams, for example, and during desert storm, those things flew out the door.

so, the manufacturer has a choice..either they pay high wages and benefits, and limit their opportunities to sell their products, or they do what they can to lower costs, and still sell their stuff everywhere.. since the american consumer is in love with the lowest possible price ( which is understandable) you can see that what's happening to the country is a self fulfilling prophecy.. we can't have it both ways. and I know some would say "lower your profit expectations", but with raw materials and labor costs being what they are, there's no reason to be in business anymore, after a certain point.
 
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