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Sooo....Who has a 1-1/2" ram from WTO that DOESN'T leak???

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so whats the deal?????? the 2inch is the "good one " then? The 1 1/2 is kind of ......leaky???? I really was going to buy the thing, but i want to make sure its all right. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Has anyone had problems with the 2inch then??? /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Just curious, Jacob /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Chill out dude, you expect answers in less than 30 minutes?

The 2" is a "known good" and very powerful but turns too slowly for most people. Works sorta ok without hydro boost brakes, but really slow at low rpms, especially with hydro boost...
 
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ok ,just checking......im chilling out .......I,among other people were interested in this product, and i want to check thing out first.I for sure wont buy into more problems. It sounds like they have problems /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif Not to bash in ANY way, but most of the posts show problems /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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I was thinking about the problems with these rams today while driving my dump truck transfer rig. I have a knight hyd transfer trailer too, so I've had some experience with hydro. I have a large hyd cylinder to raise the bed and 2 smaller hyd rams to raise the high lift tailgate. Most dump truck I've been around start to seep on the main ram as we tend to slam it against the stops to get any sticky loads to dump clean. Now on my tailgate I have a pressure relieve valve that directs any over pressure, like when the rams top out, back to the hyd tank. I've been running this setup for 10 years and my tailgate rams still don't leak.

So I wonder if the problem is either pounding against the end of the ram or a over pressure problem when trying to turn some more when the travel of the ram is reached.

Also the intergal power steering box on my Pete has adjustable popet valves that should be set to release 50% of the pressure just before it hits the stops. This is to keep from blowing the seals out in the steering box.
 
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not a bash at all just want to make that clear, i like the setup and will probally buy it, but all the great customer service in the world dosent make up for it if the [darn] breaks when you need it most, just my opinion and i think that hold's true for everything, like crappy tools with a liftime warranty, if it breaks when you need it what good is the warranty?
 
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The stock steering sector box effectively has a pressure bypass that keeps pressure from building when the ram hits an end. Not saying that hitting the end is not the problem, but just that there is a pressure bypass in the system.
 
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The stock steering sector box effectively has a pressure bypass that keeps pressure from building when the ram hits an end. Not saying that hitting the end is not the problem, but just that there is a pressure bypass in the system.

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I wonder how well it works? I know on the larger boxes they are adjustable and to set them up right you have to hook a pressure gauge in the system and should see about a 50% drop when just before you hit the stops on the axle.

Has anyone hooked up a pressure gauge in their system to check this if they're having leakage problems with their 1.5"- 1.75" ram?
 
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I was thinking about the problems with these rams today while driving my dump truck transfer rig. I have a knight hyd transfer trailer too, so I've had some experience with hydro. I have a large hyd cylinder to raise the bed and 2 smaller hyd rams to raise the high lift tailgate. Most dump truck I've been around start to seep on the main ram as we tend to slam it against the stops to get any sticky loads to dump clean. Now on my tailgate I have a pressure relieve valve that directs any over pressure, like when the rams top out, back to the hyd tank. I've been running this setup for 10 years and my tailgate rams still don't leak.

So I wonder if the problem is either pounding against the end of the ram or a over pressure problem when trying to turn some more when the travel of the ram is reached.

Also the intergal power steering box on my Pete has adjustable popet valves that should be set to release 50% of the pressure just before it hits the stops. This is to keep from blowing the seals out in the steering box.

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Interesting. On my rig, I have the ram mounted so that the wheel stops hit the axle before the ram is fully extended or retracted, so that shouldn't be an issue. As far as the pressure thing /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
 
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After a long discusson with Jeff Howe he said that the box, the ram, and the axle should hit the stops at the exact same time. He said if the ram still has travel left when the axle hits it's stops it causes an over-pressure situation inside the ram which can cause problems. He recomended using a piece of tubing inside the ram on either side of the piston to take up the excess travel.

Here is a picture of my old ram, now Estebans ram and what he did. When he installed it I told him he needed to limit the travel per Jeff's call. You can see the piece of tubing on the right that sits between the front seal and the piston. With his high steer setup he only needed about 5" of travel or so. He welded washers onto the end of the tubing to spread the load out a little better:

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Re: Sooo....Who has a 1-1/2\" ram from WTO that DOESN\'T leak???

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What's Esteban been up to? He's a cool dude.

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As you can see from the above pic I did have to limit my ram by 3inches. My ram and stops on the knuckle are set so they are both stopping and the exact same point. I didn't want to have excess pressure on the ram or on the knuckles so I figured this would be the best way to do it.
I have not had any problems with it leaking except when I bent my rod. But I have only been running a few months with only a few trips on it. Matt did send me a "new design" seal kit, but it looked identical to the old one. Only difference may be the material it is made of.
 
Re: Sooo....Who has a 1-1/2\" ram from WTO that DOESN\'T leak???

Well, my 2" WTO ram w/ 8.5" throw is leaking AGAIN. After installing it it began leaking at the seal the first day. I waited a while and then sent it back. No problem, they said, we will rebuild it. I was without it for over 3 weeks. Now after a month it is leaking again. My friend say's I should have gone with an AGR setup. Nothing else on my truck leaks at all. Nothing. Except the newest part. Man, this is aggravating.
 
Re: Sooo....Who has a 1-1/2\" ram from WTO that DOESN\'T leak???

AGR is as crappy as wto seems to be... AGR used to be good until it was bought out by another company. PSC is the stuff I'm hearing good things about lately... If I keep hydro assist I will be buying a PSC box.
 
Re: Sooo....Who has a 1-1/2\" ram from WTO that DOESN\'T leak???

With all due respect, you guys can keep your $150 rams. My $50 one doesn't leak, and I can just buy another one and throw this one away if it does.
 
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With all due respect, you guys can keep your $150 rams. My $50 one doesn't leak, and I can just buy another one and throw this one away if it does.

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Don't quote me on that, my ram was $65
 
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With all due respect, you guys can keep your $150 rams. My $50 one doesn't leak, and I can just buy another one and throw this one away if it does.

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Don't quote me on that, my ram was $65
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84 CHEVY K10 - where did you get your Eaton?

willyswanter - where did you find your ram and what brand?

My 1.5" x 8" WTO no-name is making a big mess in the driveway! :(

Ronnie
 
Just thought i'd bring this post back to the top with a little bit of good news...

I modified my 1.5" X 8" ram just like esteban did, putting a 3" spacer inside to limit it to 5" of travel for hi-steer. Thanks for the tip on that Esteban!
So last weekend i was out wheeling and of course my hydro ram decided to start pissing fluid out of the end instead of just dripping a lot like usual. I guess the seal finally gave out.. The only bad thing is with no ram i get crazy deathwobble... So i ended up topping off my power steering fluid about 5 or 6 times to make it home from my trip.
When i got home, i put on my spare ram, but that one leaked too... so kinda pissed off i started taking one apart figuring there's no way i can make it leak any more than it is... Well i took it apart and found the seals with chunks out of them... when i measured the seals there were a lot in the mcmastercarr catalog.. before i placed an order, just for the hell of it I went over to Home Depot, and found the correct 1 1/2 OD O-ring that i needed.. There is also a flat rubber backing kind of as a support next to the oring.. I made this out of a 1 1/2" diameter 3/16" thick rubber fender washer.. then cut the rubber washer until it was about 1/8" wide all the way around just like the oring..
Now heres the trick.. when i tried installing the seals and dabbing them with some ATF or powersteering fluid, the seals still ripped when re-installing it.. so i had to get another set of orings.. this time i ran a nice bead of grease all the way around the oring so it slipped right in and didn't rip or tear the seal.

Hooked it up and bled the system... Hasn't leaked one drop yet... Fixed that damn leak with a couple of $0.99 o rings that are pretty common. :cool1: :thumb:

From now on, i'll rebuild my own ram thanks. If any of you guys need some tips on this feel free to pm me.
 
I see a tech write up in the future. I am looking into hydro and would love to know the in's and out's of the ram.
 
Tractor supply store...tie rod cylinder...$65...2" bore... mod your pump and deal with the slightly slower steering...:whistle:
 
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84 CHEVY K10 - where did you get your Eaton?

willyswanter - where did you find your ram and what brand?

My 1.5" x 8" WTO no-name is making a big mess in the driveway! :(

Ronnie
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surpluscenter.com
 
I don't have too much to add here....I have the 1.5" WTO ram and it's leaked pretty much from the beginning. I've never complained about it, because I've been to lazy to call WTO and get it replaced.

I got a chance to meet Matt in person at BlazerBash 2002, and he definitely struck me as the kind of guy that's geniunely enthusiastic about helping people out....and NOT just when it might lead to a sale! :cool1: I'm sure if the time comes and I ever feel like dealing with my leaky ram (even now that's it probably been something like 2 years!) he'll swap it out no questions asked.
 
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