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The Great Smaug

5 in a burb would be tough for sleeping and only to be worse as the kiddos grow. Tough scenario. Driving two rigs, albeit smaller still could double the fuel bill on the trip. Not to mention doubling the maintenance and prep to both rigs to make them reliable/safe to run.

Not that I've not done any serious thought to the math if it's worth doing financially.

I've taken my rig down mountain Jeep trails and consider it a joy to catch the confused looks as Jeep and smaller Toyota guys give when they see me crest a pass they sit on. My Blazer may not have the overhang of a Burb but the camper adds width and height that makes navigating tight tree-lined trails a little more challenging to take the care not to just bomb through and thrash the camper and truck. I've punched a couple of holes in the camper due to tight Juniper trees that don't give as pine trees do. I know the trees can be pretty thick in the UP but probably no less thick than some of the forests I've been through. But I get it with the nerves of trying to keep off the trees it can be stressful.

I think back to the evolution of my camping equipment and how I camp. Going out for a week and changing camp daily really puts a focal point on easy setup and breakdown so it's not a chore. I went from a huge family tent to a 2 person backpacking style tent and gear to as small as a hammock. I found I was still doing a lot of unpacking the truck to set up and repacking when it was time to break camp. Over a week of travel, it's a chore. Now my solution was ultimately the camper I found but had I not found it I would have gone down the road of a rooftop tent and drawer system.

My suggestion would be to make a drawer system that doubles as the platform for one bed. All the gear in drawers would be easy to access and not required to move to set up the bed inside the burb. A root top tent would be for the bigger kiddos. The RTT would be the biggest investment, but you'd be amazed how quickly the Overland Jeep and Toyota crowd move on to bigger/better gear and dump the older stuff for much cheaper than retail and they might have a season of use on it. Local craigslist or overland forums or FB marketplace are good locations to find them.

Look at the company called Suboverland for ideas on simple drawer and storage setups built into a squarebody burb like yours. With your carpentry skills, it would be a slam dunk to build out a setup just as good if not better than those guys do.

I can say how I camp now it's so much easier being super organized and each thing I need has a certain space. Camp setup is in minutes. Park the truck level, get out, and unlatch the lid (which would be similar to a rooftop tent). Open the back door and break out the step stool and camp chair. Hop in and pop open the top. Pull the cooking gear pelican case out. Grab a cold beverage out of the fridge and sit down in the chair and relax. The breakdown is pretty much the reverse order and happens just as quickly.


Options abound for sure. But you already know the truck. Sure a large part of the build process is over only if you let it be. There's fun in building it out to truly camp out of it efficiently. Think about it.
 
Driving two rigs, albeit smaller still could double the fuel bill on the trip. Not to mention doubling the maintenance and prep to both rigs to make them reliable/safe to run.

Yep. Doubling the cost & headache doesn't sound fun.

Not that I've not done any serious thought to the math if it's worth doing financially.

It's not. There's nothing financially sound about doubling the number of money pits in my fleet. :rotfl:
 
I think back to the evolution of my camping equipment and how I camp. Going out for a week and changing camp daily really puts a focal point on easy setup and breakdown so it's not a chore. I went from a huge family tent to a 2 person backpacking style tent and gear to as small as a hammock. I found I was still doing a lot of unpacking the truck to set up and repacking when it was time to break camp. Over a week of travel, it's a chore. Now my solution was ultimately the camper I found but had I not found it I would have gone down the road of a rooftop tent and drawer system.

My suggestion would be to make a drawer system that doubles as the platform for one bed. All the gear in drawers would be easy to access and not required to move to set up the bed inside the burb. A root top tent would be for the bigger kiddos. The RTT would be the biggest investment, but you'd be amazed how quickly the Overland Jeep and Toyota crowd move on to bigger/better gear and dump the older stuff for much cheaper than retail and they might have a season of use on it. Local craigslist or overland forums or FB marketplace are good locations to find them.

Look at the company called Suboverland for ideas on simple drawer and storage setups built into a squarebody burb like yours. With your carpentry skills, it would be a slam dunk to build out a setup just as good if not better than those guys do.

I can say how I camp now it's so much easier being super organized and each thing I need has a certain space. Camp setup is in minutes. Park the truck level, get out, and unlatch the lid (which would be similar to a rooftop tent). Open the back door and break out the step stool and camp chair. Hop in and pop open the top. Pull the cooking gear pelican case out. Grab a cold beverage out of the fridge and sit down in the chair and relax. The breakdown is pretty much the reverse order and happens just as quickly.


Options abound for sure. But you already know the truck. Sure a large part of the build process is over only if you let it be. There's fun in building it out to truly camp out of it efficiently. Think about it.

Thanks for the kind words. I will definitely think about it. There's still work to be done, and making the platform should be a fun(ish) phase of the build.
 
I've taken my rig down mountain Jeep trails and consider it a joy to catch the confused looks as Jeep and smaller Toyota guys give when they see me crest a pass they sit on.

Yes! I enjoy this feeling as well. The guys in brand-new side-by-sides get especially confused. :haha:

For the places we go, the burb is fine. We're not running overly hard trails, and I'm not accumulating much body damage. At least 80% of our campsites could be reached in my Subaru. A guy proved this 3 years ago by running most of our Keweenaw ride in a stock 2nd-gen Outback. It required beating on the car, but he got through most of the obstacles. Not a lot of boulder-crawling, mostly sand, gravel, & mud. I've only had the truck stuck that one time in the puddle, and that probably could have been avoided by taking a better line.
 
This thread is falling out of date. :rolleyes:

Time for another update. This one will sound a lot like last year's update.

This truck sat on the sidelines in 2022 (again). I drove it around town, and I used it for hauling stuff when we moved, but the truck doesn't have a real purpose. We did our camping and offroading in a Subaru Outback. It's not as capable as this truck. But (as said above), it does 80% of what I want to do, while consuming <25% as much wrenching time. And that has become important to me. Arthritis has set in enough that wrenching's not fun anymore.

Rene, my goal here has always been to have fun building things, I've never planned on putting 200,000 miles on any of these rigs.
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When it stops being fun, I stop being a diesel fan.

Weirdly, my diesel patience didn't wind up being the weakest link here. But the comment about fun still stands.

I also value my time & mortality more than I did a few funerals ago.

I forgot to mention it, but one reason I'm doing as much as possible with the kids is because life is short. Kids don't stay children for very long. Next year you'll have finished 1/3rd of your son's childhood, and I'm not far behind. So when an opportunity arises to travel or read books or make homemade pastys, I try to fit in as many of them as practical. Soon I won't have these moments anymore.

We'd already reached that tipping point last year. This year adds another 400 miles between my house and places where I can camp offroad. So my new situation needs a pavement pounder, and the offroader is nearly useless to me here. It's time for it to go. I'm buttoning up a few small projects, and then it's getting posted for sale locally.

I've enjoyed this project, and I've enjoyed reading back through this thread. But it's time to do the next thing.

:thinking:

:popcorn:

:burnout:
 
From Friday morning onward, the truck ran flawlessly with zero issues. There are things left to finish, but there aren't many things I want to undo or redo. It is comfy and capable. It conquered every obstacle on the route and never got stuck. In fact, I don't remember the wheels slipping aside from some of the sand dune climbs. It just crawled over stuff exactly like it was supposed to. I didn't get the skid plates installed, but the truck didn't care.

That being said, with the extra 4" of height and the much looser steering caused by braking or swaying (no sway bar), the truck isn't as fun for zipping around town with the kids. It has crossed the line away from being a daily driven street queen. It is an (off)roadtrip machine, and that's what it's going to keep doing. :saweet: :burnout:

Wanted: Someone who will have the time & bandwidth to give this truck the life it deserves. :ears:
 
I got to say this is one of the reasons I love this site. We got a tale of two Burbs going on here, with @campfire switching rides days before a big trip and getting help and encouragement from @AgDieseler who's got his own burb getting upgraded before a major trip too. The two builds share common ground as they are both 6.2 turbo 2500 Burbs, but the way they are getting done can't be more different. It just shows that really there is no one set path on how something can get done. It's an interesting mix. I'm following both and I'm not a diesel guy. I just appreciate the ingenuity of how each is tackling their own set of problems.

Keep up the good work guys!

Still my favorite comment. Our builds couldn't be much more different. And yet, they're both interesting in their own different ways.

I rescind my comment about eventually reaching his level of competence. Even if he stopped improving, I will never have enough ability & free time to catch up at this point. :bow:

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I really like this picture. :thumb:

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Me too!



Thanks. As dumb as it sounds, we see so many gazillions of trees that they seem routine. I don't even take many pictures these days. The trees all blur together in my mind.

Thanks for reminding me how blessed we are to see this stuff every day.

We are blessed. :woot:
 
Subaru over burb? I get it for sure but I get bummed when I see guys move away from projects they have put a lot of time an money into. It’s the sentimental fool side of me that thinks that way.

As long as you are getting out as a family and exploring the world around you is all that matters.

You just need to keep sharing your adventures with us if you can.
 
There are a lot of places to wheel around Jackson county, and into jones. I haven't explored all of jones yet, but there's decent ones in Jackson for sure. Then a little farther north of us in an arc from Bellevue to decorah there's a bunch.
It's all a couple hr drive, but not much different than the UP trips from your old place. Just not as cool of chit to see, like the old mines and such the UP had.
Old farms, plenty of trees and bluffs though... You know... Iowa :waytogo:
 
Subaru over burb? I get it for sure but I get bummed when I see guys move away from projects they have put a lot of time an money into. It’s the sentimental fool side of me that thinks that way.

As long as you are getting out as a family and exploring the world around you is all that matters.

You just need to keep sharing your adventures with us if you can.

Yep. The whole family is sad to see it on the chopping block. But it stopped being a tool that enables my lifestyle, and (surprise, surprise) it hasn't stopped being a drain on my time. :haha:

It's not a question of Subie vs Sub. It's a matter of recognizing that the free time I utilized to build this truck has been reallocated to family pursuits. If I suddenly had more time available, I'd gladly keep the old beast. I have plenty of sentimental foolishness, and a list of projects I'd like to finish on it. Which is why I hate staring at it. It regularly reminds me that I'm not able to wrench as fast as I can dream (I've gotten this sentiment with the other trucks I've built). We've talked several times of lowering it back to street height and just rocking the Suburbs with it. It would be a fine kid-hauler, and I do need 6 seatbelts these days.

But it feels like a waste of a purpose-built truck. Why butcher a decent built offroad camping truck when I can fairly easily purchase a pavement-pounding burb or minivan or wagon (or whatever)?
 
As long as you are getting out as a family and exploring the world around you is all that matters.

You just need to keep sharing your adventures with us if you can.

I'm taking a lot fewer pictures these days (as the ratio of cameras-to-children keeps dropping). But I should be able to work up a couple trip reports from last summer. This summer's touring schedule is gonna be different, but we'll still be out seeing cool things. :thinking:

:popcorn:
 
Yep. The whole family is sad to see it on the chopping block. But it stopped being a tool that enables my lifestyle, and (surprise, surprise) it hasn't stopped being a drain on my time. :haha:

It's not a question of Subie vs Sub. It's a matter of recognizing that the free time I utilized to build this truck has been reallocated to family pursuits. If I suddenly had more time available, I'd gladly keep the old beast. I have plenty of sentimental foolishness, and a list of projects I'd like to finish on it. Which is why I hate staring at it. It regularly reminds me that I'm not able to wrench as fast as I can dream (I've gotten this sentiment with the other trucks I've built). We've talked several times of lowering it back to street height and just rocking the Suburbs with it. It would be a fine kid-hauler, and I do need 6 seatbelts these days.

But it feels like a waste of a purpose-built truck. Why butcher a decent built offroad camping truck when I can fairly easily purchase a pavement-pounding burb or minivan or wagon (or whatever)?
You don’t have to justify the move. It’s a pretty adult thing to do by recognizing where the priorities are and how to make the adjustment for them. Keep getting out there.
I'm taking a lot fewer pictures these days (as the ratio of cameras-to-children keeps dropping). But I should be able to work up a couple trip reports from last summer. This summer's touring schedule is gonna be different, but we'll still be out seeing cool things. :thinking:

:popcorn:
More kids should mean more targets for pics. They don’t have to be perfect but those snapshots in time are frozen forever that will spark a memory from that trip when looked upon later.
 
There are a lot of places to wheel around Jackson county, and into jones. I haven't explored all of jones yet, but there's decent ones in Jackson for sure. Then a little farther north of us in an arc from Bellevue to decorah there's a bunch.
It's all a couple hr drive, but not much different than the UP trips from your old place. Just not as cool of chit to see, like the old mines and such the UP had.
Old farms, plenty of trees and bluffs though... You know... Iowa :waytogo:

Distance-wise, Jackson & Jones counties are just fine. Farms, trees, & bluffs make for pretty scenery, and we've already started our touring season (yay for having an extra month of summer every year!)

My experience with Iowa offroading has just been b-grade roads and mud (and I'm not a fan of mud).

Clearly we need to meet up for a trail ride sometime. :thinking:

:popcorn:
 
You don’t have to justify the move. It’s a pretty adult thing to do by recognizing where the priorities are and how to make the adjustment for them. Keep getting out there.

Thanks. I'm not writing the justification for anyone on here. I'm writing it for Future Me, so I can review the state of mind I was in when making this decision.

Having that reference is really handy every time I ask "why did I sell that beautiful stepside?" "Oh, yeah...that's why I sold it."

After a few rounds of that, I no longer question the sale of that truck. It was the right decision.
 
More kids should mean more targets for pics. They don’t have to be perfect but those snapshots in time are frozen forever that will spark a memory from that trip when looked upon later.

True. Plenty of kid pictures get taken, but few of those get posted online. Perhaps a more accurate statement is that we're still taking plenty of pictures, but fewer of them are intended for public consumption.
 
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