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The Purple Camaro

I figure if I’m going to spend money to not melt a stock motor, just build a better motor
I think a lot of that comes from the old school mentality. Growing up, I was around a lot of the first generation of drag racers and flats racers. Blessed to have that experience, but I am closed minded about it, too
Not that I don’t enjoy watching a nitrous car cook hot dogs, it’s just not my thing
 
Ironically Cleetus and his gang kinda reinforced my thoughts on Nitrous. What I did think was clever was using it to help spool the twin 94's at the altitude in Colorado. Really hard on the trans to sit on the two step for days hoping to get the big turbo's to spool. To "spritz" a bit of nitrous directly into them to get them to spool was clever, and added nothing to the performance of the car during it's pass.

I have seen so much Nitrous induced carnage between them and the Roadkill crew though. Cheap and easy, and easy to fox up. I like watching train wrecks and horrible Russian drivers. Doesn't mean I want either of those in my life either. Nitrous just ain't for me. I'd consider turbos, or a blower before Nitrous.

As for the "cheating" aspect. Even NOS calls it that, don't they? :whistle:

NOS 02001NOS NOS "CHEATER" fits Holley 4-Bbl / Carter AFB

The NOS Cheater system uses large nitrous and fuel solenoids that can be adjusted for power levels up to 250 horsepower, in a matter of seconds. Cheater systems are easy to install and utilize a 1/2" thick injector plate which fits between the carburetor and intake manifold to provide ample hood...
www.holley.com www.holley.com
 
Yes, the funny thing is the "cheater" plate is totally visible. The "Sneaky Pete" is the one they sell to hide.

But actually cheating is totally different from my perspective. I don't ever think of nitrous as a "cheat". Its just one of 3 main power adders.

Cheating is separate, blaming which tool people use to make more power if they cheat, that's like blaming large spoons for making people fat.

Nitrous is not for everyone, but it is the least expensive power adder, that was all I was trying to say when I opened the can of worms. :rotfl:
 
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folkenheath said:
Yes, the funny thing is the "cheater" plate is totally visible. The "Sneaky Pete" is the one they sell to hide.

But actually cheating is totally different from my perspective. I don't ever think of nitrous as a "cheat". Its just one of 3 main power adders.

Cheating is separate, blaming which tool people use to make more power if they cheat, that's like blaming large spoons for making people fat.

Nitrous is not for everyone, but it is the least expensive power adder, that was all I was trying to say when I opened the can of worms. :rotfl:
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I’m on your side! I ran a single fogger on my old turbo probe and LOVED it. Had it jetted for only around 50, but it cooled the intake charge SO much. Damn car needed to be awd.
 
Didn’t ol’ Smokey Yunick plumb the cage of one of his NASCAR rides to hold nitrous and use it at the right time? Don’t remember who, but it’s stories like that and the sneaky Pete system that personified the cheater outlook on giggle gas.

Younger guys probably never heard of them.

But the street racing thing pushes it too. Not the made for tv street outlaw crap but real underground street racing. Been to a few late night runs in Detroit and that was some legit sketchy stuff. Major thug element, lots of wads of cash, drugs, etc. A guy I went to college with was running a ‘69 step side C10 (primer grey w/ CO plates) the locals dubbed it the farm truck a solid decade before the one showed up on YouTube and then tv. He was negotiating a pass with a dude in rowdy 5.0 fox body mustang. You could clearly see the bottle under the hatch but he was going to “leave it off” for his run. Took another dude walking up with a roll of hundreds betting on the race to clearly understand the bottle better be off. The C10 won, but we were all pretty clear if he didn’t his instructions from us were to keep driving and not come back. He had no money on the race but the amount others were betting on him to win was staggering.

While interesting, I didn’t go back to often after that. Too sketchy and three white guys were squarely in the minority with the rest of the crowd.

At least if I go to the track I have less chances of getting shot!
 
I know Yunick ran the fuel through the cage, as tech was complaining about his capacity and abilities to miss a few pit stops. They drained his tank and then he drove off under power…
 
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Bent77 said:
I know Yunick ran the fuel through the cage, as tach was complaining about his capacity and abilities to miss a few pit stops. They drained his tank and then he drove off under power…
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Sounds right. Someone else ran nitrous through a cage. I can’t remember who now.

Yunick had been called a cheater’s cheater for a reason. That guy would drive a Mack truck through any loopholes in the rules. The 7/8’s scale ‘66 Chevelle is my favorite.

But back to N2O, I’ve yet to try it but I wouldn’t be against using it with a bit more research and understanding how to do it without killing my engine.
 
ZooMad75 said:
Sounds right. Someone else ran nitrous through a cage. I can’t remember who now.

Yunick had been called a cheater’s cheater for a reason. That guy would drive a Mack truck through any loopholes in the rules. The 7/8’s scale ‘66 Chevelle is my favorite.

But back to N2O, I’ve yet to try it but I wouldn’t be against using it with a bit more research and understanding how to do it without killing my engine.
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That was a drag car. I might remember who at some point
 
cheavyk10 said:
I'm sure you guys have seen this it's been making the rounds on the internet, these guys disabled the safety valve on their bottle and it went kapluey. View attachment 418888
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Excuse my ignorance on nitrous but why would one disable the safety valve on a bottle? Higher pressure or something?
 
Don't mess with safety equipment. Never a good idea. Could kill someone. Same with heating bottles with a torch. Yeah, its been done without blowing up, but it only takes once to kill you or someone nearby.

Spraying 100 HP shot is almost too easy, stock V8 not usually a problem with the right timing and fuel flow.

The more you spray, the more modifications you need after that.

Colder plugs, larger ring gaps, forged pistons, race gas, the list goes on. I can help if needed.

But I won't keep responding here and turn Bents thread in a laughing gas thread. :haha:

I am always against breaking the law or the rules. Legal sanctioned racing by the rules only.
 
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Still don’t answer why someone would feel the need to do it?

In my basic understanding, pressure is everything when it comes to this stuff. Warm bottles have more pressure than cold, etc. but did they defeat the safety valve to allow more nitrous in or allow for more pressure or both?
 
Sounds like from reading the FB post, that they plugged it when they installed it. Sounded like Darwinism, I mean n00bidity
 
There is no legitimate reason to do it. You only need 900 - 950 psi in the bottle, you want more flow, use larger jets or solenoids.

If you start to run out in the pass, get a larger 15 pound bottle, or two bottles. But that would be a lot of nitrous.

Increasing the pressure above 1000 psi is just pointless and dangerous with no benefit.

However, the further it gets below 900 the lower the flow will be and you will lose power, and if it drops below about 600 psi it won't be a liquid anymore.
 
Back to the original plan, making the car go vroom
Here's the sheet. I'm holding true to the concept that all of the funky things wrong with this setup were presumed to be non-existent, so all your guesses were based on good-to-go knowledge.

I use the app @folkenheath designed a lot. Figuring for air correction loss, I should make 295-305HP at the flywheel at this altitude
His app shows me at 230ish based on ET and speed
So I was 65-75HP short last time out

13.00 at 105 would be 287-290HP, which includes having a lot more converter
At this point, I'm mostly trying to recover the MPH
If the power is there, the rest is easy to sort

But I've been tinkering


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