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The Story Of A Cummins Suburban (Lots Of Pics)

One of the things I learned last year on our trip was that the spare tire and water can/s were taking up way too much valuable interior space. I was looking at some swingout tire carrier designs and while many had some positive attributes, none seemed to be exactly what I wanted. Both Larry and Bill use double swingouts which have their benefits (light weight, easy to manufacture, loads per side are less than one single swingout), but having to unlatch two swingouts every time I needed to get in the back was not desirable. I had discussed their designs at some length with them and I think it was Bill who had run a single at one time and his biggest complaints were that the thing was heavy, hard to keep open and too long. I figured with a good pivot the heavy and keeping it open could be dealt with and I figured the length would not be such a problem. I started researching how I could do it. I contacted a couple well know pivot suppliers with my idea and they said their pivot spindles did not have the capacity I needed. They spoke from experience. They had failures with single swingouts with similar loads to what I was wanting to put on them. Hmm what to do?? I got an idea. The idea was nothing without a bumper to put it on so I started making a bumper.

I started with some 1/2" x 4" cold rolled flat stock to make the brackets. I flame cut it to the shape I needed with all the intricate notches and angles pre-figured into it. I then took a piece of 1/2" x 4" flat stock, cut it lengthwise so it was 2" wide and welded that to the main brackets. It extends forward to reach the first bolt hole in the frame. This would get me close to the 1.125" that a recovery shackle normally uses.



Then I took a piece of 2.5 x 2.5 angle and cut the vertical leg down to 2.25". I put a piece of 1/4" x 3" cold rolled on top of that and welded the length of it to the top of the angle, then make a mount for the pivot plate: (it's upside down in the pic)



Now, for the pivot, I decided to use a splined hub assembly off of a 10 bolt front axle. I took it to Russ to have him machine off everything that it had that wasn't a swingout pivot part. He removed the mounting flange where the spindle mounts to the knuckle and the flange from the hub that mounts the rotor and ultimately the wheel leaving me a splined "cylinder". He also machined a hole in a piece of 1/2" plate to fit the OD of the spindle into. That plate fits into the bracket on the bottom (top in the pic) of the bumper: (The plate is intentionally large so I can cut it down as I figure this out)



Plate tacked in with splined hub on it. Notice the second mounting bracket for the plate. It is the same as the first one, but taller to reach the upper plate of the bumper:



Swingout tube fitted to splined hub ready for welding:



The splined hub acted like a dirty cast iron when it was machined so I got some Eutectic 680 rod to use as filler and TIG welded it to the swingout tube after preheating the hub and peening it with a needle scaler as I went. Necessary?? Not sure, but I know I don't want a failure of this connection.

In along here somewhere I decided on a latch to secure the swingout tube to the fixed bumper. That is a standard cooler it is sitting on:



Figuring out the rear cover plate:



I used 1/8" cold rolled flat stock to make the filler plate out of and when I finished I added a piece of 1/8 x 1" flat stock welded at a 45* angle to enhance strength and aesthetics:



I used a standard receiver tube to mount the wheel flange on. The wheel flange is 3/8" plate. I cut the outside with the plasma cutter. I need more practice on the heavy stuff as I had a real challenge with it. 1/4" and less--no problem, but with the heavier stuff I need to figure out the settings a little better. That being the case I flame cut the square hole to fit over the receiver tube so that I would have no issues with that.



About this time I figured out that Bill and Larry had valid points about the length of a single swingout. It doesn't seem like much until you swing it out and it hits the welder in the garage. Something needs to be done here. I don't want two swingouts. Hmm.

Upper hoop installed:



So, after quite a bit of butt scratching and endless staring at the situation I came up with a plan. I got another toggle clamp like the previous one pictured (but much smaller), made a coule hinges out of some DOM tubing and 5/8" bolt shanks for hinge pins, added it all together and came up with this:

Swing it out and realize it is going to hit whatever is behind it:



Throw the latch on the main tube and fold the tube inward:



Keep going until it folds up into a nice wad over on the side of the vehicle--problem solved!! The simple functionality of a single swingout when clearance is not an issue, but the compactness of dual swingouts when space it tight:



I wanted to reuse the original license plate mounting assembly from the original bumper, but of course that wouldn't fit....so, I had to make my own:



Main latch mounted. It has reinforcements behind the plate on the bottom and inside the tube on the top.



So now I have a tire mounted. What to do about the water cans and propane cylinder. I was talking with my friend Lance and he had a Sportsmobile van that had a box mounted on one of the swingouts. He loved it and it sounded like a great idea so I started searching one out. I found that they are tremendously expensive (for aluminum). Also, I was having a real difficult time finding one that was close to the dimensions that I needed. They were either a bit too small or way to big. I found one that was kind of close, but was too deep. I figured I could cut it down and weld it back together, but then I took a step back and thought about it and I was going to spend $500.00 on a box and cut it up?? Steel is cheaper, but twice the weight--not good. I started looking at the weight per square foot of material and I found that expanded steel is approximately the same weight as aluminum sheet metal. Obviously it is not as opaque, but I don't really care at this point (I'm getting close to the end of my available timeframe). Expanded metal it is. I fabbed up a framework using 2x2 x 1/8 angle for the bottom (sides taper to 1" at the back) and 1 x 1 x 1/8" angle for the rest of it, then cut the expanded metal to fit in the openings:



I made a jig for my plasma cutter so I could cut e-track holes at strategic points in the structure so I could use common e-track components to secure the contents easily.



I'm not enamored with the aesthetics of the box, but it is secure and functional. I can deal with the aesthetics later. I tore it all down and had it powdercoated. I usually paint everything, but this is going to be in the line of fire for rocks and trail debris kicked up off the tires so I figured I'd give it a fighting chance of survival with some powdercoat.

Reassembly. Got some work out of the boy: (Yes, he is installing a Rotopax mount)



Here is the finished product: (the gas can is for when we take a Honda Generator with us. It's rare, but I don't want to add it later....)



So there it is. One bumper that I would be completely and thoroughly embarrassed to admit to even 10% of the amount of time I have in fabricating it. Does it work?? Absolutely beautifully. I have not found anything I would have done differently--yet?? I am planning on doing something about the box and I have some ideas, but I have some other things that are taking precedence right now. We'll see what I come up with.
 
I like it, it works well and is a design I wouldn't of thought of. The length thing is something that had me leaning towards a dual swing out, of course that was before I did the bad thing. :grin: Very nice work, but it might be worth considering adding a cooler mount to the box, just to give more interior space.
 
Beautiful work as usual Nate! :waytogo: Have you weighed your Burb recently? Starting to think you HAD to have the 1 tons/Cummins drivetrain! :haha:
 
Very nice build and write up as usual. :bow:


I really like the way that you have collapsed the back. Soon, I'll be moving on to the rear bumper and would like to use this idea somehow, with still using the stock bumper skin.


Thanks for the write up, along with all the pics. :waytogo:
 
I like it, it works well and is a design I wouldn't of thought of.

Yeah, me either :haha:

The length thing is something that had me leaning towards a dual swing out, of course that was before I did the bad thing. :grin: Very nice work, but it might be worth considering adding a cooler mount to the box, just to give more interior space.

Thanks!! I haven't used a cooler in a couple years now. We run an ARB refrigerator instead. Soooo much nicer than having to drain and reload ice every day on the road and we can use it as a supplemental fridge in the house if we have a party or something. My wife absolutely loves it. I have to admit I do too. Something about ripping down the road and grabbing a cold, dry soda or Gatorade out of it. No towel next to the cooler anymore. :thumb:


Beautiful work as usual Nate! :waytogo: Have you weighed your Burb recently? Starting to think you HAD to have the 1 tons/Cummins drivetrain! :haha:

Thanks!! It looks like your autocorrect got ahold of my name there?? I have weighed it recently (before the bumper) and my baby is a little heavy. Now she's a little fat in the ass too, but still well under the capacity of the components supporting it. That is a detail lost on many people is how fast the modifications add up in the weight category.

Very nice build and write up as usual. :bow:

Thanks!!

I really like the way that you have collapsed the back. Soon, I'll be moving on to the rear bumper and would like to use this idea somehow, with still using the stock bumper skin.

I'm looking forward to your spin on this idea. I wanted to keep a stock skin, but it would have compounded the time issue and I gave up on that idea before I started. I'm sure it can be done somehow and with your attention to detail and fab skills, you're the right guy for the job.

I dig it.

Thanks!!
 
Is that a lock out on top of the swivel?

Martin

Yes. It gives me about 6-8 positions to lock it in. The ones that are < 90* aren't real useful most of the time, but from 90-180 they are. There is even one point past 180* that puts the tire about 3/8-1/2" from the quarter panel. That one gets it out of the way even farther. The nice thing is if the truck isn't level, the hub will hold it in place even if the knob is turned to the free position, until the swingout moves a little and the force on the hub is removed, then the internal spring will pop the ring into the neutral position allowing the swingout to move freely. I didn't plan on that feature, just kind of a nice bonus.
 
Beautiful work as usual Nate! :waytogo: Have you weighed your Burb recently? Starting to think you HAD to have the 1 tons/Cummins drivetrain! :haha:

:doah: I shouldn't use peoples names in posts before 5 am :doah: Sorry NICK!



Edit: Posted this before I read anything after my original post... no auto correct mistake, brain dead 4:45 am post...
 
:doah: I shouldn't use peoples names in posts before 5 am :doah: Sorry NICK!



Edit: Posted this before I read anything after my original post... no auto correct mistake, brain dead 4:45 am post...

No worries man. I know you know my name, so I figured it was that damned autocorrect... :haha:
 
So after I finally get the bumper done, I have to turn it around and get after a couple things that needed attention in the front. When we went to Flagstaff for Overland Expo this year I was having a challenge keeping the truck where I wanted it to be in a lane. I'm not sure when I noticed it starting, but it had been getting worse lately. This trip was a real challenge. I had to DRIVE the truck the whole way up and back. It knew when I was looking out the side glass. If I did that, I would be greeted with the truck somewhere completely different from where I last looked at it. This is no good.

When we got home I was doing some looking around under the truck. The first thing I noticed is when the wheel is rotated radially through its freeplay, the pitman shaft would not move radially. It would move back and forth--a lot. Hmm, this can't be good. I also noticed the forward spring hanger on the left frame rail had lost a rivet head. That's not good either. the rivet head was new and I know exactly when that happened. Back to work I go here.

So I pulled the steering box out and pulled the sector shaft assembly out of it. Everything looked ok until I noticed the steel bushing in the four-bolt aluminum cap hanging out about 1/8". Hmm, never seen that happen before?? How in the world?? Well, then I turned it around and quickly answered all of my own questions:



Well, that explains a lot. It also puts me in a real bind. I'm still on a tight timeframe here--real tight by this time. I always build my own steering boxes, but I'm not too sure I'm going to have time to do this. If I find a great virgin box, build it, and everything is great, then I'm golden, but if something happens, or the box has internal issues, I have no time to hunt parts or deal with odd problems. So, buy a box from the local parts house, buy a box from a national builder, buy a custom box?? I spent many years in a previous lifetime selling parts at a mom and pop parts house and I have not forgotten selling a guy two or three to get a decent one--not necessarily a good one, but one that doesn't leak or isn't too loose or, or, or... That pretty much negates that option for me. The next option is a local builder who has great product. I contacted a buddy of mine to recall the name of the guy we dealt with at this establishment and he said the guy wasn't building any more and the last couple he got were literally thrown out they were so bad. So much for an easy option for me. I did some looking and settled on a box from PSC.



Now before everyone jumps on, I have heard all about their bad reputation AFTER I bought this one. Had I heard it before, I probably would have gone with a different vendor, but I had no time to worry about it now. They do some custom work inside the box, sleeve them if necessary, use a special torsion bar and use a billet end and top cap (which is hopefully crack-resistant). While I had the box out, I pulled the pressure fitting out of the back of the pump and enlarged the hole in the fitting a few thousandths and also removed a shim under the pressure fitting nut to hopefully get rid of the split second of no assist when slow wheeling and sawing at the wheel. Nothing that I would deal with normally, but being the system is apart, now is the time.

While I was at it I decided to change out the steering stabilizer for a little stouter one. I'm not aware of any issues with the original one, but it has been on there for over 40K and I salvaged it off of the truck that originally donated its guts to this truck, so its age is unknown. I forget what brand I got, but it is shiny white and bigger in diameter:



I have had a dropped pitman arm on this truck since I built it. I have had no obvious issues with the part, but with a cracked aluminum cover on the box, I figured that would be a good thing to get rid of. I researched steering blocks for the Dana 60 and found that most look like rough-cast dog crap. The one that Off Road Design sells is an exception to that finding though. It is a fully machined piece that is .250" shorter than the rest. It doesn't need a kingpin spacer like some because the cap is machined in such a way that it mimics the original cap height. They also sell an ARP stud kit to fit the block that uses tapered sleeves and steel lock nuts. From what I have seen available, this is the best piece available. So I bought it. I grabbed a stock pitman arm out of inventory here and installed it all in the truck. I ended up losing two degrees of drag link angle in the deal.



I drilled out the broken rivet and replaced it with a 7/16-20 grade 8 bolt and steel lock nut. I wanted to replace them all, but I am really running out of time at this point. I cleaned around the area where the bracket meets the frame and ran a couple beads along the joints about 3/4" long. I figured it would help the retention and also show me if anything is flexing or moving around.

The last thing on my list is to flush the cooling system again. I was still running green coolant and there was some trace amounts of oil in the reservoir. I pulled the radiator and flushed it clean. I flushed the block and got it clean too. I have a fairly complex heater system now and I didn't want to flush it with the hose and leave a bunch of hose water in the system to contaminated the new high-dollar coolant and or create a mineral problem down the road. Hmm, how to flush a heater system and not leave hose water in it?? I came up with a couple ideas and even bought some parts to assemble and make a flush apparatus, but then I looked at one of my Reliance water jugs and checked the large cap that the spout threads into. It is 3/4" pipe thread without the taper. Hmm, I can make this work. I put a fair bit of Teflon tape on the threads and put it together with a ball valve and heater fitting and came up with this:



I opened the valve and it was working, but needed a little help. I put a regulator on my shop air hose and applied it to the vent hole on the container and it worked great!! When I got done all that was left in the system was some distilled water. I changed the coolant filter and installed the Rotella ELC in it and I'm ready to go--I think....
 
I forgot that I also changed out the front shackles for the longer ORD HD front shackles with the 1/2" bolts instead of the 7/16 bolts that mine had in it.



I didn't need (or want) the extra length to raise the truck up any more, but instead I wanted the little bit of extra caster they would provide for (hopefully) better road manners.
 
Somewhere along in here my Chinese (read that as ****ty-ass copy of a quality part) inside door latch control on the driver side gave up. The spring that preloads the handle and returns it to its resting spot after release broke. That allowed the door handle to be raised with no effort whatsoever. It also allowed the door to close with the handle up keeping the latch from actually latching. Chinese parts suck. I really didn't want to put another chin part in it so I called a friend of mine and he had a NOS GM piece. The only problem was he had a pair, left and right, and he wasn't splitting them up. Ugh, I guess I'm buying a pair of them then. I really can't be too picky when even at the price I paid for them, they are worth more because they are domestic--and they work!!



I also asked if he had any NOS latch assemblies because the original one that I re-installed after the Chinese replacement broke (anybody notice a pattern here??) had been giving me some grief even before the latch control device broke. He said he did not have any, but he had a really nice original latch available. I got that too.





So I tore the door down and got to replacing the parts. It is so nice having parts that actually fit the way they are supposed to and not fighting some metric equivalent cheesy-ass copy with inferior materials and craftsmanship.

I got the door assembled and closed the door for a test run and I don't think it has ever closed that nicely. Just a light swing closes the door completely with a nice click now. Sooo much nicer than having to put a bunch of moe behind it just to get it to latch. Opening it is even better. The spring tension on the control device is heavier than the Chinese imitation and it works absolutely beautiful. So nice to have a door that latches and unlatches correctly. No fussing or fighting to get the door closed (or open--watch out for the Chinese latches). I think it's ready now....
 
love the rear bumper!!!!!

Thanks!!

What kind of shocks is uncle nick running on that critter?

RS9000X on the front and RS9000 on the rear. The general opinion around is they are a crap shock, but I really like the adjustability of them. I typically don't do extended intervals of washboard so I can't say I have ever overheated them, but with what I have done, they seem to work very well for me.
 
Anybody ready for a vacation?? I sure am.

All of this working on the truck and not driving it is getting old (I'm getting the feeling that nobody likes my truck modification pictures anymore :haha:). I really needed to do something about that so I mashed up as much available time off that I could and put a loose plan together. It didn't exactly go as planned and there are a few things I would have done differently, but it is what it is and that's what we got. The initial plan was to head out early Saturday, June 22, but they have been forcing maximum overtime at work lately which puts me back at home pretty late. I didn't think the chances of success were too great loading the truck that late at night, getting up at dawn and driving about 12hrs to make our destination for the day. That, and, my wife had something she wanted to do that morning. She was willing to bag it in order to hit the road early, but I decided it was a better idea to amend our plans and aim for an 1100 roll-out so that I could get some sleep and she could do what she wanted to do. It ended up working out good, but sort of came back to bite us down the road a ways, but I'm getting a little ahead of myself here. So, without further adieu, fasten your seatbelt and enjoy the ride!!

We ended up getting out almost exactly at our planned departure time. I stopped and topped off the tank so I could get an exact fuel mileage number and also know exactly how far we traveled. I ended up putting exactly one gallon in the tank. I had filled it earlier in the week, but I had done some running around in it and thought I had used more fuel than I actually had. Oh well, we know it's full NOW.

We hit 17 north to 74 west and took 93 north up to Kingman. We continued on 93 north and came across a neat old tow yard:



Tons of old iron in that place. We didn't stop, but it looks like a place that won't let you in and would charge way too much for anything in there if they did. I could be wrong, but I have learned from past experiences that if a yard is full and the vehicles are complete (notice no open hoods??), usually it is for a good reason.

So we continue up the road and get to the new bridge that replaces all of the switchbacks going to Hoover Dam. If you didn't know it was there you would not even notice it.



The bridge itself is a spectacular piece of engineering, but you can't see it from the road. Hell, you can't even see Hoover Dam anymore:



So we cross the bridge and make it into:



We rolled up the strip taking a look at all the new hotels that have been constructed since we were there last. This town is always changing. Something is always going up or coming down. Pretty amazing when you stop to thing about it.



This was the hot ticket the last time we were there:



The farther north you go, the older it gets. There are some neat places along the way. As you travel further north the hotels get a bit seedy and the cleanliness of the area seems to go away quickly. We went a bit further and came upon this place:



When we were discussing our plans for the trip I had mentioned a couple ways of getting to our first destination and my boy quite nonchalantly asked if we were going through Vegas. I said that we might be and he asked if we could stop at the pawn shop. At the time we were planning a high-ball express run to our first destination and we probably would skirt Vegas instead of going through it. Well, with our amended initial plan, I figured we had some time to spare and I knew he'd dig it, so we stopped. Let's just say the producers of the show make it out to be a little nicer than it actually is. It's not a total dump, but there are some areas of the shop that are not shown on television. My boy absolutely loved it. My wife got a picture of him with a smile that Olan Mills couldn't buy if they wanted to. He ended up buying an $8.00 refrigerator magnet (yep, $8.00 for a magnet) and was thrilled with it.

We left out of Vegas and found ourselves back in AZ??



We continued on and the relatively flat terrain turned into a HUGE cut through a mountain:



I took a bunch of pictures while we were in the cut, but the lighting was not good and most came out blurry because of it. This one turned out kind of ok:



So this ends our travels for day one. We got a room in St. George Utah for the night. We grabbed a quick dinner and headed back to the room for hopefully a good night's sleep. I was really looking forward to some good sleep as I had been running around 55hrs/wk for the previous several months and then coming home and putting another few hours in the shop before finally collapsing in bed preparing myself for another day of it. Relaxing on vacation?? I hope so. We'll see how that works out....
 

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