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Ok so I have a few questions regarding towing with my K10. I currently tow my boat which fully loaded on the trailer is just under 5000 lbs. My truck has plenty of power and it brakes fine but the problem is that I have some rear end bouncing and sway. I currently tow off the bumper which is right at or over its rated limit. I know I need a good hitch but what brand and where can I get it? Also I do plan on upgrading to a bigger boat to say 8-9k lbs fully loaded. What can I do to tow it safely?

Some specs on the truck:
K10 swb stepside, 4" tuff country Ez-ride all spring lift, edelbroc shocks, 35" tires, 14bsf rear

Also a pic of the setup:

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This is just my .02. I had an o **** moment towing with a bumper hitch. I ended up disconnecting the trailer on an off ramp and having a receiver hitch installed (not my truck), then going back to the trailer and continued home (1200 miles).

Search trailer hitches in your local phone book, I know Uhaul will sell/install. Does your trailer have brakes?
 
At 8-9k you're pushing a 1/2 ton to or over it's limits. The lift and short wheelbase isn't helping either. Probably making it feel worse.

Your heavier axle will handle it. The springs may handle it or need an AAL or something like that. The frame is the main concern here. I'm no engineer though.

I see lots of small trucks towing campers and such using an anti sway/load leveling hitch set up. That should keep the bouncing and swaying in check. It's basically a hitch ball with a couple connections on the sides. Then there are 2 tension bars that attach to the trailer which you hook on to the side connections. Or something like that.
 
Sounds to me like you dont have enough tongue weight??? Which would cause sway at the very least. Looks fairly level in the picture.

Ive never really towed any significant weight with a lifted truck, soft rear springs could be creating the bounce you feel?

You will prob need a class 4/5 hitch to haul a 8-9k load as well.
 
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I have seen the anti-sway hitch setups and I know they help alot too. I think what would help is if the hitch ball was lower, its pretty high as it is with a 4.5" drop. The trailer is pretty balanced in that most of the weight is over the wheels. Also no trailer brakes either. Oh and when I hook up the trailer the springs make contact with the overloads.
 
I zoomed in on your pic and I don't see a ball on the top of the bumper, it also looks like you have a receiver hitch of some kind with a drop?
 
Well, once you add another 4k pounds, you're gonna want trailer brakes. May even be a requirement. My 7500 pound car trailer was required to have 1 axle with brakes on it (2 axle trailer) by law.
 
I'd drop the hitch down just a little more to get some more tongue weight on the truck. I also think the 35's and a lot of "loose" rubber is contributing to the moving around.....especially if you are on 15" wheels. That's a lot of air and rubber flexing around. I felt that same condition with my 15" wheels and 35's.

If you go with 16" or 17" wheels and/or stiffer rated tires, that could help.
 
I'd look into a hitch for starters, I did a quick search but most hitches that came up for your truck were class III rated around 5k pounds total. You can probably find something with a little work though.
Next would be bags. I didn't get bags on my old truck and held off on my dodge and once I finally broke down and installed some I was kicking myself. It makes a HUGE difference with the sway you're experiencing.

The only hitch that comes up on etrailer for your year and being a short bed is rated at 5k. Maybe with some work you could get one of the class V hitches rated at 10k+ to work.

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Chevrolet/C/K+Series+Pickup/1975/75034.html?vehicleid=1975331
 
That's because it's a 1/2 ton. I bet if you looked up a hitch for a K20 there'll be heavier options.

Now, can you put a K20 hitch on a K10 frame? And what is a K10 rated to tow?

Power and upgrades aside, we know the truck will pull the heavier boat. The only thing I question is if there is ever an accident, even if you're not at fault, and the police notice the truck is overloaded.... who will they point the finger at?

I never used to worry about stuff like that. But I've got a house, wife, kid to pay for. I don't want to be paying for someone elses stuff, so now I consider problems like this. Especially in this sue happy world we live in.

Maybe it's time to build a K30? :D
 
OK here are some answers to you, and some comments made here.
The hitch you have might be fine depending on how much tongue weight your newer boat might have but in general 10% is the best, and I would switch to a claxx 4 or 5, and your frame will handle it fine.
The fact you have a short wheelbase does affect the handling, but a short bed also has a shorter overhang so it's in your favor.
Up to 9k trailers I wouldn't hesitate to tow with your truck, however some requirements I would cover are:
Trailer brakes, even for your light trailer.
Weigh the trailer you will tow, and weigh the tongue and make sure you are at least 10% of the weight, and no more than 20%.
And 15" wheels would not be my choice for towing either.
A sway control is well worth the $200 price tag, so I would do that too
 
It does look like the boat trailer isn't level either.

I used to.tow with my K5, but have switched to the LWB side of life
 
For boat trailers that size they would have tandem axles and built in brakes controlled by tongue movement. The hitch I have bolts to the bottom of the bumper and has a 4.5" drop ball on it and its still too high. That's why the boat doesn't sit level. And yes I have 15" rims and 35/12.5 r15 Mickey Thompson MTZs. I think they are class C rated? :dunno:

I think for starters I'll look into a class 4 or 5 hitch and a bigger drop ball.
 
For boat trailers that size they would have tandem axles and built in brakes controlled by tongue movement. The hitch I have bolts to the bottom of the bumper and has a 4.5" drop ball on it and its still too high. That's why the boat doesn't sit level. And yes I have 15" rims and 35/12.5 r15 Mickey Thompson MTZs. I think they are class C rated? :dunno:

I think for starters I'll look into a class 4 or 5 hitch and a bigger drop ball.

And at least LT tires not C rated but D or E
I think in 15" the best you can get is D rated.
 
OK, here is what you need to know.
It looks like you have one of those fake receiver hitches that bolt onto the bumper. Those are dangerous in that they will fool you into thinking you can tow more than you can.
I have found trailers in the ditch still hooked to the bumper, with the truck not in sight.
Get a genuine receiver hitch, the strongest one you can put on it. Never mind what the frame is rated for, a strong hitch is not going to increase the load you tow. That is the actual limit, not the hitch.
Plus the stronger hitch will have more bolts and steel to spread the load on the frame.

Then, weigh the boat setup, and then weigh the tongue weight. If its low, move the front stop roller and the winch post forward so the boat rides a little farther forward.
Usually a little bit goes a long way here.

Now, here is the tricky part. I'm going to tell you the ideal setup, you can fudge a little bit, but not much.
If, with the tongue weight correct, the back springs go down a good amount when you hook up, then you need to go with a leveling hitch if you are going to be hauling any distance at all.
Boat trailers are not as conducive to leveling hitches as travel trailers, but its doable.
When you get the hitch and get it setup on the boat, then there are two settings that are critical.

First, park the boat and truck on a flat level area. Preferably concrete or pavement. Unhook from the boat and move forward a few inches or so. Lower the boat tongue until it is level. Use a level.

Then, adjust the hitch so that the ball is the same height as the inside of the hitch. Good quality load leveling hitches are usually height adjustable. Some are infinitely adjustable, and you can get those perfect.
Others use bolts and holes. Just get that type as close as you can.

Then, comes the other adjustment. To do it right, measure the height of the front and rear bumper to the ground without the trailer hooked up.
At this point, you are going to wish you have an electric jack on the tongue, but you can do fine with a mechanical one if its heavy duty.

Raise the trailer back up and hook it to the ball. Latch it down, then start raising the tongue with the jack.
As you do, the back end of the Blazer will come up some.
Then, hook up the two spring bars to the hitch on the truck, and hook to the hole in the chains that make them firm, but still able to latch them by hand.

Then let the jack down until it is just off the ground. Measure the distance from the front and rear bumper to the ground. The measurements will be lower, but it should be lower by the same amount front and back.
If the back is lower, jack it all up again, but a little higher and take up one chain hole.
If its higher, then drop one chain hole.

In other words, if the truck was level before hooking up the boat, then it should be level afterwards.

Never use any overload springs, air shocks, or anything else to compensate for trailer weight.
They are fine for leveling the truck without the trailer, or for hauling a heavy load, and you can use them with a trailer but not to handle the tongue weight.
In other words, level the truck with them before hooking up the trailer and then leave them alone.
Use the hitch spring bars to handle the trailer weight.

Properly setup, the leveling system will distribute the load equally between the front and rear axles.

Get the tongue weight right, distribute the load correctly, get everything level, and I suspect you will not need stabilizers.
However, if you do, then most of the leveling hitches come setup for them. Just check when you buy the hitch system and see. If they already have the hook points, its an easy add on.

Also, since its a boat, surge brakes are recommended, but electrics give you more control.
I was hauling a 30 foot travel trailer with my 250 and an idiot in a semi came by me in the other lane of a 4 lane about 30 mph faster then I was. And I was doing almost 60.
When he started past, the suction started pulling my trailer over towards his. I hit the gas and locked down on the trailer brakes with my controller.

With the truck pulling hard and the trailer braking hard, it snapped it back out straight.

There are going to be people who tell you just to add springs or other things to level the truck, and there are a lot of very intelligent people who do not understand how a trailer leveling system works.
I was one of them until I sat down and studied the system.

It actually does transfer the weight from the rear axle to the front.

All the adjustments are a pain, but until you change the boat or tow vehicle, you only have to do it once.
Mark or count the chain holes so you always know which one to use, and hook up is fast.
 
The boat isn't level because the ball is too high, and my truck sits slightly higher in the rear without the trailer and dead even with it hooked up :dunno:
 
OK, here is what you need to know.
It looks like you have one of those fake receiver hitches that bolt onto the bumper. Those are dangerous in that they will fool you into thinking you can tow more than you can.
I have found trailers in the ditch still hooked to the bumper, with the truck not in sight.
Get a genuine receiver hitch, the strongest one you can put on it. Never mind what the frame is rated for, a strong hitch is not going to increase the load you tow. That is the actual limit, not the hitch.
Plus the stronger hitch will have more bolts and steel to spread the load on the frame.

Then, weigh the boat setup, and then weigh the tongue weight. If its low, move the front stop roller and the winch post forward so the boat rides a little farther forward.
Usually a little bit goes a long way here.

Now, here is the tricky part. I'm going to tell you the ideal setup, you can fudge a little bit, but not much.
If, with the tongue weight correct, the back springs go down a good amount when you hook up, then you need to go with a leveling hitch if you are going to be hauling any distance at all.
Boat trailers are not as conducive to leveling hitches as travel trailers, but its doable.
When you get the hitch and get it setup on the boat, then there are two settings that are critical.

First, park the boat and truck on a flat level area. Preferably concrete or pavement. Unhook from the boat and move forward a few inches or so. Lower the boat tongue until it is level. Use a level.

Then, adjust the hitch so that the ball is the same height as the inside of the hitch. Good quality load leveling hitches are usually height adjustable. Some are infinitely adjustable, and you can get those perfect.
Others use bolts and holes. Just get that type as close as you can.

Then, comes the other adjustment. To do it right, measure the height of the front and rear bumper to the ground without the trailer hooked up.
At this point, you are going to wish you have an electric jack on the tongue, but you can do fine with a mechanical one if its heavy duty.

Raise the trailer back up and hook it to the ball. Latch it down, then start raising the tongue with the jack.
As you do, the back end of the Blazer will come up some.
Then, hook up the two spring bars to the hitch on the truck, and hook to the hole in the chains that make them firm, but still able to latch them by hand.

Then let the jack down until it is just off the ground. Measure the distance from the front and rear bumper to the ground. The measurements will be lower, but it should be lower by the same amount front and back.
If the back is lower, jack it all up again, but a little higher and take up one chain hole.
If its higher, then drop one chain hole.

In other words, if the truck was level before hooking up the boat, then it should be level afterwards.

Never use any overload springs, air shocks, or anything else to compensate for trailer weight.
They are fine for leveling the truck without the trailer, or for hauling a heavy load, and you can use them with a trailer but not to handle the tongue weight.
In other words, level the truck with them before hooking up the trailer and then leave them alone.
Use the hitch spring bars to handle the trailer weight.

Properly setup, the leveling system will distribute the load equally between the front and rear axles.

Get the tongue weight right, distribute the load correctly, get everything level, and I suspect you will not need stabilizers.
However, if you do, then most of the leveling hitches come setup for them. Just check when you buy the hitch system and see. If they already have the hook points, its an easy add on.

Also, since its a boat, surge brakes are recommended, but electrics give you more control.
I was hauling a 30 foot travel trailer with my 250 and an idiot in a semi came by me in the other lane of a 4 lane about 30 mph faster then I was. And I was doing almost 60.
When he started past, the suction started pulling my trailer over towards his. I hit the gas and locked down on the trailer brakes with my controller.

With the truck pulling hard and the trailer braking hard, it snapped it back out straight.

There are going to be people who tell you just to add springs or other things to level the truck, and there are a lot of very intelligent people who do not understand how a trailer leveling system works.
I was one of them until I sat down and studied the system.

It actually does transfer the weight from the rear axle to the front.

All the adjustments are a pain, but until you change the boat or tow vehicle, you only have to do it once.
Mark or count the chain holes so you always know which one to use, and hook up is fast.

I think I may have said the wrong name, but I meant the load levelling hitch, sway control is optionnal on those and I still recommend using it too with a smaller truck.
As I said the system is in $200 range so it's not extremely expensive, and like Fordum said it does transfer the weight on to the front too, because it uses the leverage from the weight of the tongue to push down on the front, but like he said, if not adjusted properly, they don't do anything.
They need to be pretentionned to work.
I always knew how they theoreticly worked but when i rode in a ford explorer towing my dodge truck on a 10k trailer and it felt like it was a cadillac driving, I couldn't believe how slooth it felt and how controllable it is.
 
The boat isn't level because the ball is too high, and my truck sits slightly higher in the rear without the trailer and dead even with it hooked up :dunno:

Check your tongue weight. I'll bet its very low. You can tow stuff that is not level with not much trouble, but low tongue weight is a killer.
The old rule of thumb when loading stuff in trailers, is 60% of the weight in front of the axle.
In other words, at least 10% of the total weight as tongue weight.

If you are going with the leveling hitch, it works best level.

You might be able to get by without a leveling hitch with that boat, but a heavier one should have one.
 
I just picked up a class V receiver hitch from Curt mfg. for my Blazer off of Amazon for $125 shipped. It bolted right up in about 15 minutes... No drilling required, it used existing holes that GM had placed in the frame for just this purpose. It is much more hitch than I will ever need, but I believe in overkill for some situations, and I couldn't beat the price!
 
my dad's truck has E rated 35's on 18" rims. They handle a full 11'3" camper and 6k trailer very well. The camper is ~5500# dry. I would think the same tire/rim setup for you would do wonders.
 

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