ok first thx for the info, Now a little more info and a few more questions , your talking about the seal between the pump and case (paper one)right? I dont think it's the front pump seal, that the converter slides through, because the converter doesn't have any fluid on it only the bolt heads (holding the front pump in),now the history, I twisted the splines on a converter a while back and pulled the front pump to make sure it was ok, later to find it was the converter, so I put it back with the same gasket because I didn't have another and couldn't get one here for atleast a week.and also a new converter, ever since it has seeped but when I put this new motor in a few weeks ago it's after that it leaked more and getting it a little hot of course, But I didn't change the front pump seal when I put the motor back in because that one looked good. Later I was told your suppose to change those every time you pull the converter / So now you know the whole story? You had also said the converter could be messed up too, you mean the hub that slides through the seal? Also where is the bushing and how do I change it, the tranny is a ripper and only has like 30,000 miles, cost me 1600.00 to have built so I dont want to just trash it, would like to run it for a while longer. Before I switch to the other one I have. SO should I just put the front seal in that I should have changed with the motor out or do you think it's the paper seal between the pump and the case? THX for all the help!!!