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turn signal switch connector problems.

blazinzuk

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So here be the problem

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The furthest connector out is a white wire ( brake lights) the second is a dark green ( pass side tailight brakes and turn signal)

I need to get that connecter apart to recrimp the wires on there.

Cannot get the pins out.

So other options suggestions ideas.

I can't drive this right now and its starting to get lame. I have no brake lights and no turn signals or brakes on the pass side.
 
Eric , usually you can take a small pick to get the pins to release
 
I did not mention that this is also in my build thread but I need to get this solved hence the double post.

The other problem is one of the connectors is pushed up anyway and I don't think its making contact when the male and female plugs are together.

So just soldering the wires back on the little nubbins ( my solder skills are somewhat lacking) will only solve half the problem.
 
What I would do since your in a pinch is cut away the plastic and pull the pins out recoonect them to the wires and push them onto the other side then tape it up
 
yellowK20 said:
What I would do since your in a pinch is cut away the plastic and pull the pins out recoonect them to the wires and push them onto the other side then tape it up
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Which I may end up doing, but I promised myself that I would do stuff right on this rig, so I didn't have to mess around with it down the road.

I worked on getting those stupid pins out for literally a couple hours. I have done other electrical connectors with no problem but these I can't get out for some reason.

I mean they have to be able to come out
 
blazinzuk said:
Which I may end up doing, but I promised myself that I would do stuff right on this rig, so I didn't have to mess around with it down the road.

I worked on getting those stupid pins out for literally a couple hours. I have done other electrical connectors with no problem but these I can't get out for some reason.

I mean they have to be able to come out
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Those pins are tricky... They actually have two locking tabs on them. Grab one with a pair of needle nose pliers and yank one out to see. It'll bend the tabs over backwards but will come out. You can always snag more pins brand new from GM or used from your parts K5 to replace it.

When you get it out, use a small pair of side cutters to open up the pinch tabs at the end of the pin and cut off the wire as close to the inside pinch tabs as you can. Strip the wire to be soldered on as close to the same length as the inner pinch tabs as you can. Lay the wire on top and use a pair of needle nose pliers to crimp the tabs over so they grab the insulation, not just bare copper. Then press the copper down flat and use a small butane torch to solder the wire to the pin. Use as little solder as possible as a blob will prevent the pin from fitting into the connector.

Best of luck!
 
Call me a hack,but I'd just snip the offending wires,strip them,wrap them together and solder them,tape them up,(or use crimp connectors) and be done with it!...after trying too long to do it "right" of course.:rolleyes:..no one but you will ever see that connector probably anyway...despite the wiring in my old 74 GMC being a complete nightmare of splices,wire nuts and tape,I had very few electrical problems with it...(I didnt hack the harness,the previous owner did ,and I was not really enthused about installing another complete harness)..
 
Naturally, in my field, I run across connectors all the time. Probably 90% of them are Molex brand, and they all have a tool that removes the pin.

Of course, many of them use different tools. I used to have an assortment, and with the right tool its fairly simple.

My problem is, I have no idea what the pins in that connector look like. But maybe I can give some general ideas that might help.

If they are round, either pins or sockets, your best bet is a thin piece of steel tubing that will just fit over them.

You slide the tubing over the pin, push it in while pushing in from the wire end. This will push the locking tabs down flat on the pin, then you just pull it out from the wire end.

Try going here:

http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/O_E_M_Terminals_Shells_s/259.htm

See if any of those pins look like what you have, and maybe it will show you what needs to be pressed down to get it out.

Plus, you could buy new pins.

I am quite sure that there is a tool to get them out. If its for the round pins, try a ball point pen cartridge.
Some of the older ones were metal and about the right size. If you can cut a spare or scrap connector open and get one of the pins out, you can see how they release.
 
crappy thing is I don't have a spare connector anymore, used the spare to rewire Horton. Hortons wiring was messed up big time. Worse than the Jimmy.

Anyone got a spare they can cut apart and see how these pins are.

Russel I tried yanking on em, nothing doing I tore part of the connector off, vice grips nothing doing, even using channel locks to close up the vice grips.

One of the reasons I was getting so fustrated last night.

J I have tried every trick ( obviously not as many as you have) that I know of to get those pins out. All the ones you suggested including a couple others. All except the tube, don't have anything that size.

When Kristle gets home I am going to mess with it a bit more but I need this back on the road ASAP need to work on the Pontiac so while its a bit hack I may end up cutting the wires off the male connecter putting spade connecters on them ( soldered, crimped, and heat shrunk of course) and going that way for now.
 
Are the pins round or flat? The tube is nice, but if you can see the locks, you can push them down with a small screwdriver or sharp object.

But, and I suspect this may be what has happened here, if you do not push in on the wire end when you do, the pin slides back, the end of the lock digs into the plastic, and you wind up bending the body of the lock down but not the very end.

If you have a small penlight, or something you can shine down into the connector, maybe you can see how they work.

I keeping up with modern technology, I have had luck with a digital camera with a macro function.
Put it on macro, or supermacro if it has it, shine a bright light into the connector since the flash usually is too far above the lens to hit the connector, and snap several pictures.

Then, I put them in the computer, and use a pic program, like Compupic to enlarge them until I can see what is going on.

Wish I still had Baitfish2's Old Blue here, I would go out and see what that connector looks like inside.


Any chance for a junkyard connector?
 
pins look flat and yes I know you push them down first to get the lock thing out.

Still nothing doing. I cannot see inside them at all. But I will see if I can get a really close up shot with my good camera. You certainly know what your looking for more than I
 
What is it with those wires?

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I got a connector at the JY and did as Russell mentioned... problem is the tabs on the pin dont like to be re-bent, mine broke. I understand you dont want to be hack with your wiring but for me, 2 barrel connectors and problem solved. I actually forgot about that fix till your thread. If you must have them in the connector I suggest getting new pins and hopefully you have enough wire left to keep from banjo-ing them. You would at least get your rig on the road today and could address later?
 
Thats the plan Dustin get the spade or bullet connecters today and fix later.
 
mr250twostroke said:
I don't recall why my wires came off, been to long I guess. Just curious if you know what happened to yours?
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No clue they weren't cut but the white wire had been repaired before higher up in the line.

must just be really tight and when you are changing stuff they come out. Or an old trailer brake controller or something to that effect
 
Sounds right, they are tight and im sure it had to do with me taking the column out. Just cant remember exactly :dunno:. Pretty sure I abandoned getting new pins do to the them being so short. Oh well, if you do eventually get them back in the connector bump this with an update. I remember my frustration level at least before I threw in the towel, would be cool to see someone conquer this.
 
mr250twostroke said:
Sounds right, they are tight and im sure it had to do with me taking the column out. Just cant remember exactly :dunno:. Pretty sure I abandoned getting new pins do to the them being so short. Oh well, if you do eventually get them back in the connector bump this with an update. I remember my frustration level at least before I threw in the towel, would be cool to see someone conquer this.
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Watch my build thread on this truck I will put the solution ( if I ever get around to it) in there.
 
If any were available in a parts yard you could clip one off leaving enough wire to splice them all back together.

I don't know if those are vehicle specific or if all GM trucks would have been the same....
 
Chief Brody said:
If any were available in a parts yard you could clip one off leaving enough wire to splice them all back together.

I don't know if those are vehicle specific or if all GM trucks would have been the same....
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Yep thats the eventual plan on fixing it right. I am just getting it working now
 
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