Welding on the frame

[Zeus33rd]

Shmoke and a pancake?

Ya know, a flapjack and a cigarette, No?

Alright, Cigar and a waffle? No?

Pipe and a Crape? no?

Bong and a blitz?

Well, then there is no pleasing you!

OMFG dude!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!! Here I sit trying to type a reply while trying to blink back the tears from laughing!! Thanks bro, I needed that.


And for the record, I would KILL for a bong and a blitz, but unfortunately, uncle sam frowns on that stuff.

 

[original balzer]

I win.

Was there ever any doubt?

I didnt know you was only a moonlight fabber as he sugests........

 

[Fabrimacator21]

Well since you posted some pics.... heres some of mine.



New custom built $50K set of rice stomper wheels....

Tractor "tires"...... had to shorten them by 12" and wrap new fb and roundstock tread around them.

Broke a strap picking one of these up.... scary as fock and LOUD.

New center.... beveled, tacked, and ready for final welding.

Staircase

Stainless archway

Handrail/fencing

Had to take 2 ft off the rear wheels (I.E 1 foot per wheel).... made a jig.... cut... air arced... welded

Before..... Yes it was FUN to drive.

After

Add on to one of the shop buildings

40ft Conveyer

Blurry close up of a weld (cell phone)

Have alot more....

KidJ.... how bout we leave it at we both can fab and bury the hatchet. I like your work/rig and to be completly honest I didn't realize you had as much experience in the field as you have. I assumed you were the every now and then do it yourselfer just as you assumed I'm the highschool fabricator who can't actually fab. I say fock the bs and lets let this thread get back OT.

 

[Avery4jc]

Nice red 'X' batman...

Rene

Hmmm works for me

 

[original balzer]

I wish I knew how to weld purdy.

 

[tRustyK5]

I'll play too...

Projects I've been directly involved with over the last 8 years or so.

Fairchild Dornier 728/928 fuselage tooling:

http://www.aint.com/slideshow/fair_slide/fair_slideshow_2.html

Airbus A380 Empenage driller:

http://www.aint.com/A380Project_ap.html

F/A-18 E/F outer wing driller. I built about 90% of this particular tool

http://www.aint.com/f18owdproject.html

Boeing 787 door loaders:

C17 barrier system:

777 moving assembly line tooling:

Just a small cross section of the fab I used to do. Now I do fairly boring structural stuff...

Rene

 

[la-zdunck]

this thread is awesome!!!!! i'm diggin the pics too, keep em comin!!!

however, the following statement turns my stomach

And certs don't mean jack. quote]

i dunno about anybody else, but it took me 4 years to get my aws certs (d1.1-.6, d9.1, d10.etc, etc) and i take a lot of pride in them. it is these certs that separate the skilled from the scabs in my trade, so an appropriate level of respect is deserved by those with aws certification.

 

[howdiy]

I actually happen to be a NASA fabricator and disapprove your poorly fabricated pieces Fabrimacator21. As a Nasa certified fabricator those pieces would be used as art in the yard or something to run over with the shuttle carrier.

-Howdiy
Professional Nasa fabricator

Here are some of my welds on a space shuttle, it may not look like much, but trust me once you fire up the flux capacitor it's ready for take off. Ignore the yellow, it was just a project I worked on for the Russians, it was a submarine or something.

 

[Fabrimacator21]

this thread is awesome!!!!! i'm diggin the pics too, keep em comin!!!

however, the following statement turns my stomach

And certs don't mean jack. quote]

i dunno about anybody else, but it took me 4 years to get my aws certs (d1.1-.6, d9.1, d10.etc, etc) and i take a lot of pride in them. it is these certs that separate the skilled from the scabs in my trade, so an appropriate level of respect is deserved by those with aws certification.

I agree to a certain point... I'm just saying I've seen guys come into a shop that hads certs left and right and their welds look like chit. Certs don't descriminate on looks unless you missed the line or theres peroscity(sp?)

Also, with the right instruction during the cert test it's not hard for the average joe to pass (depending on which cert of course). Our yard guy took the test just for kicks and with help from a few guys at the shop he passed the vertical dual shield and hardwire tests. There are definetly harder certs to get though. Pipe fitters, I would say have it pretty hard. IIRC it's 8" 1/4" pipe with a 1/8" gap butt weld and it cannot leak and must be done free hand in order to pass.... but you can make any necessary repairs during the test (I.E. grind out the weld and reweld)

The main purpose of a weld is to stick 2 pieces of metal together and be strong but looks are important also.

Most shops I've encountered around here aren't so worried with certs as they are your ability to weld. Unless theres an inspector on site or the welds will be getting ultra sound. Pretty easy for a foreman to tell if your welds are strong... most can say "he'll pass" or "he won't pass" and be right 90% of the time.

 

[Fabrimacator21]

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

... Show a LITTLE respect...

Earn it.

...And certs don't mean jack...

Really??Maybe not in Ag and ornamental land.

... I don't mean to "tute" my own horn...

Its "toot"

... "not a big deal" and truck frames are "not a swiss watch".

It aint and they're not.

If you are truly a bad ass fabricator,you shouldnt have to run around and tell people.Your work shold speak for its self and people will just know.Grow a thicker skin and go do your thing.

You will not die if you put a vertical weld on your frame.

 

[Zeus33rd]

Earn it.




Really??Maybe not in Ag and ornamental land.



Its "toot"



It aint and they're not.

If you are truly a bad ass fabricator,you shouldnt have to run around and tell people.Your work shold speak for its self and people will just know.Grow a thicker skin and go do your thing.

You will not die if you put a vertical weld on your frame.

Hi Chris.

 

[Fabrimacator21]

Man...

ok.... nevermind then. Weld vertical wherever you want. Just trying to help.


I'll say it again on the certs... for ME it was a require ment of the job and it DID matter but like I said. Couldn't tell you how many guys had all their certs and couldn't lay down a pretty bead to save their life.

Actually in AG land certs are VERY important.... 250k tractors need strong peices... same goes for backhoes, bobcats, trucks etc. I would have posted some pics of structural columns and more staircases but the structural stuff isn't nearly fun.

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

Hi Chris.

I see they aint deported you yet

 

[BGKYK5]

Subscribed to remind me to post some bad ass fab pics as soon as I get around to doing some bad ass fab work.

 

[Zeus33rd]

I see they aint deported you yet

ha! Only a matter of time I think.

 

[la-zdunck]

I agree to a certain point... I'm just saying I've seen guys come into a shop that hads certs left and right and their welds look like chit. Certs don't descriminate on looks unless you missed the line or theres peroscity(sp?)

Also, with the right instruction during the cert test it's not hard for the average joe to pass (depending on which cert of course). Our yard guy took the test just for kicks and with help from a few guys at the shop he passed the vertical dual shield and hardwire tests. There are definetly harder certs to get though.

The main purpose of a weld is to stick 2 pieces of metal together and be strong but looks are important also.

Most shops I've encountered around here aren't so worried with certs as they are your ability to weld. Unless theres an inspector on site or the welds will be getting ultra sound. Pretty easy for a foreman to tell if your welds are strong... most can say "he'll pass" or "he won't pass" and be right 90% of the time.

unless said foreman has x-ray vision, he cannot assume the structural integrety of a weld.

it's unfortunate some half-assed instructor/inspector would pass these scabs you speak of. he could and should loose his cwi cert, as well as aws affiliation. here in chicago, test submissions are x-rayed before a cert is issued.

 

[Fabrimacator21]

unless your foreman has x-ray vision, he cannot assume the structural integrety of a weld.

it's unfortunate some half-assed instructor/inspector would pass these scabs you speak of. he could and should loose his cwi cert, as well as aws affiliation. here in chicago, test submissions are x-rayed before a cert is issued.

I agree... but thats how most of the local shops are run around here. I don't however, see why the inpsector should lose his cwi cert... they passed the bend test and thats what matters for that particular cert. All of the help issued to the yard guy was done the day before the test.

Here is the company I worked for... Does both manufacturing, Hydraulic, and Job shop ( I was in job shop ). www.thomaswelding.com Still kicking myself in the ass for leaving that place.

All the guys (including me) working on anything structural were certified.... we even made a few turbine dollies for NASA and Boeing... IIRC they got shipped across the states and overseas.

Edit: Here they are...

 

[la-zdunck]

I agree... but thats how most of the local shops are run around here. I don't however, see why the inpsector should lose his cwi cert... they passed the bend test and thats what matters for that particular cert. All of the help issued to the yard guy was done the day before the test.

i'll tell you why that cwi should get sh*t-canned...

an aws cwi sets the standard for quality. if that inspector is just handing out certs, those standards are lost, and we will be replaced by cheap labor, further degrading our economy. not to mention, someone can be hurt or killed as a result of a faulty weld or repair made by a welder who was certified, although unqualified. surely you understand the liability in this. these are the jobs of many hard working americans, and as one of them, i hope you respect the importance of this issue.

 

[Fabrimacator21]

i'll tell you why that cwi should get sh*t-canned...

an aws cwi sets the standard for quality. if that inspector is just handing out certs, those standards are lost, and we will be replaced by cheap labor, further degrading our economy. not to mention, someone can be hurt or killed as a result of a faulty weld or repair made by a welder who was certified, although unqualified. surely you understand the liability in this. these are the jobs of many hard working americans, and as one of them, i hope you respect the importance of this issue.

My point is that if you follow what the manual says for that particular cert... those that passed did so legitimatly. Used temp sticks, instructor over their shoulder, and bent it further then needed with no cracks (no xrays required for those certs). That being said, that particular instructor was very lax IMHO... he basically neglected to watch everyone doing their temp checks. I can tell you that no one that I know of cheated that time though.

We did have plenty of inspectors xray alot of jobs though.... things like those dollies have a TON of liability in em and all of our structural stuff went through me and 2 other guys with 20+ years. That being said we almost wen't out of business because of some faulty swing arms on some aft trailers... the manufacturing boss had some 18yo newbe weld all the eyes on and one broke and caused 50k worth of damage. Welds were horrible, tiny, and cold. These trailers were shipped all over the world and for a while we were actually considering shipping them back and fixing them (which would have bankrupted the company). Of course I had the "pleasure" of redoing pretty much every weld on them and to this day I can't say aft trailer without getting pissed off. This story in particular is why I agree that inspectors and foremans need to step it up. It's amazing how one broken weld or crack can drive a company into the ground.

Basically what it came down to in that shop was the manufacturing side didn't give a **** about anything and routinely focked up machinery and did shotty work. It was all about quantity not quality. It was on the mfg bosses shoulders for the trailers.

Job shop, had their **** together though. My boss definetly would have never let that happen had it been his responsibility.