Hossbaby50
3/4 ton status
They weren't my arms that did it. A good friend of mine Fred (FWP) is the one with the bad arms. Stephens own set it doing the same thing he said.
Harley
Harley
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What crossover to run?
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Think Hydro-Steer. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
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Absolutely nothing to do with my question Paul...
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] But would completely elimenate any interference issues. Have you checked out the Redneck Ram ?? The Stage 2 complete kit is only $450.00 .
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Paul, the interference I'm talking about is with High steer and the diff moved forward 1.5". As the front end cycles the tie-rod and drag link can hit each other. The Redneck Ram (cool product) does nothing to correct this possible problem.
Thanks for your input though. Hydro steer is on my list, just a lot farther down it than crossover is.
Rene
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Think Hydro-Steer. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
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Absolutely nothing to do with my question Paul...
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] But would completely elimenate any interference issues. Have you checked out the Redneck Ram ?? The Stage 2 complete kit is only $450.00 .
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Paul, the interference I'm talking about is with High steer and the diff moved forward 1.5". As the front end cycles the tie-rod and drag link can hit each other. The Redneck Ram (cool product) does nothing to correct this possible problem.
Thanks for your input though. Hydro steer is on my list, just a lot farther down it than crossover is.
Rene
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Rene,
I have a set of Sky highsteer arms, that I had to swap out for WFO's due to the swap of 56" springs...
My shopmate has first dibs on them, but if he doesn't take em, I'll give you a shout, shipping would be crapall.
Regardless though, the sky stuff is very nice, and I would defanitly recommend it to you.
The nice thing about the WFO arms, is it you ever thought about moving your axle forward any more in the future, you have the added flexability, and won't be kicking yourself like I am. I've had equally good results with WFO and Sky, its a matter of personal preference. @ WFO, the price was right...the sky arms are just HUGE.
One thing I will note is that the WFO arms use the factory studs and are a tight fit, whereas sky uses their own stud kit. I doubt anyones had any problems with SKY's, but the WFO was a more positive fit on the studs.
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Is your Sky stuff high steer? Know anyone local that does draglinks and tie-rods? PM me if your friend doesn't want the crossover stuff.
Rene
Rene,
I have a set of Sky highsteer arms, that I had to swap out for WFO's due to the swap of 56" springs...
My shopmate has first dibs on them, but if he doesn't take em, I'll give you a shout, shipping would be crapall.
Regardless though, the sky stuff is very nice, and I would defanitly recommend it to you.
The nice thing about the WFO arms, is it you ever thought about moving your axle forward any more in the future, you have the added flexability, and won't be kicking yourself like I am. I've had equally good results with WFO and Sky, its a matter of personal preference. @ WFO, the price was right...the sky arms are just HUGE.
One thing I will note is that the WFO arms use the factory studs and are a tight fit, whereas sky uses their own stud kit. I doubt anyones had any problems with SKY's, but the WFO was a more positive fit on the studs.
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Is your Sky stuff high steer? Know anyone local that does draglinks and tie-rods? PM me if your friend doesn't want the crossover stuff.
Rene
Z3PR
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Think Hydro-Steer. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
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Absolutely nothing to do with my question Paul...
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] But would completely elimenate any interference issues. Have you checked out the Redneck Ram ?? The Stage 2 complete kit is only $450.00 .
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Paul, the interference I'm talking about is with High steer and the diff moved forward 1.5". As the front end cycles the tie-rod and drag link can hit each other. The Redneck Ram (cool product) does nothing to correct this possible problem.
Thanks for your input though. Hydro steer is on my list, just a lot farther down it than crossover is.
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] K, it was just a passing thought. Elimanates a few moving parts, didn't know if it'd work for what you're doing or not.
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Think Hydro-Steer. /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
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Absolutely nothing to do with my question Paul...
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] But would completely elimenate any interference issues. Have you checked out the Redneck Ram ?? The Stage 2 complete kit is only $450.00 .
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Paul, the interference I'm talking about is with High steer and the diff moved forward 1.5". As the front end cycles the tie-rod and drag link can hit each other. The Redneck Ram (cool product) does nothing to correct this possible problem.
Thanks for your input though. Hydro steer is on my list, just a lot farther down it than crossover is.
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] K, it was just a passing thought. Elimanates a few moving parts, didn't know if it'd work for what you're doing or not.
I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
Z3PR
Banned
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I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, I was just thinking with the only thing comming off the steering box is a couple of hydrolic line going to a cylinder attached to the front axle , it'd take care of some of the binding issues, but then again, I've only seen a couple trucks with that set up. Looked pretty damn cool though.
I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, I was just thinking with the only thing comming off the steering box is a couple of hydrolic line going to a cylinder attached to the front axle , it'd take care of some of the binding issues, but then again, I've only seen a couple trucks with that set up. Looked pretty damn cool though.
dhdescender
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Is your Sky stuff high steer? Know anyone local that does draglinks and tie-rods? PM me if your friend doesn't want the crossover stuff.
Rene
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I do draglinks and tie rods, I'm just currently not set up to do bent ones. PM me the size (thickness) your looking for, and I'll hit you back with a price. If you don't get over to the island, I have to make a trip in that direction in the near future, or I can ship them with danfoss or somthing.
Is your Sky stuff high steer? Know anyone local that does draglinks and tie-rods? PM me if your friend doesn't want the crossover stuff.
Rene
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I do draglinks and tie rods, I'm just currently not set up to do bent ones. PM me the size (thickness) your looking for, and I'll hit you back with a price. If you don't get over to the island, I have to make a trip in that direction in the near future, or I can ship them with danfoss or somthing.
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I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, I was just thinking with the only thing comming off the steering box is a couple of hydrolic line going to a cylinder attached to the front axle , it'd take care of some of the binding issues, but then again, I've only seen a couple trucks with that set up. Looked pretty damn cool though.
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Yeah, that would be a purely hydraulic steering set-up which isn't street legal. It would solve the bind issue, but I drive my K5 almost daily...
The redneck Ram is a hydraulic assist which is different. The drag link and Tie-rod remains and the ram helps push or pull the tie-rod one way or the other...but you still have a mechanical connection to the steering box.
Rene
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I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, I was just thinking with the only thing comming off the steering box is a couple of hydrolic line going to a cylinder attached to the front axle , it'd take care of some of the binding issues, but then again, I've only seen a couple trucks with that set up. Looked pretty damn cool though.
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Yeah, that would be a purely hydraulic steering set-up which isn't street legal. It would solve the bind issue, but I drive my K5 almost daily...
The redneck Ram is a hydraulic assist which is different. The drag link and Tie-rod remains and the ram helps push or pull the tie-rod one way or the other...but you still have a mechanical connection to the steering box.
Rene
K5MONSTERCHEV
1/2 ton status
I have Skys stuff. I like it. Good quality parts.
I used to have rockstomper... now I have WFO. Personally, I like the WFO double arms. As was mentioned previously, this gives you a lot of flexibility. You can run normal low x-over or behind-the-diff x-over at your discretion. Who knows what the next few years/mods will hold for your rig... why not go with the arms that give ya the most options.
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Z3PR
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I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, I was just thinking with the only thing comming off the steering box is a couple of hydrolic line going to a cylinder attached to the front axle , it'd take care of some of the binding issues, but then again, I've only seen a couple trucks with that set up. Looked pretty damn cool though.
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Yeah, that would be a purely hydraulic steering set-up which isn't street legal. It would solve the bind issue, but I drive my K5 almost daily...
The redneck Ram is a hydraulic assist which is different. The drag link and Tie-rod remains and the ram helps push or pull the tie-rod one way or the other...but you still have a mechanical connection to the steering box.
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, my bad. But yeah, the purely hydraulic steering set-up is awesome. Too bad it isn't street legal. The couple of trucks I've seen with it are running on the streets, but I don't know if it's legal or not.
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I appreciate the help Paul, don't get me wrong.
The ram attaches to the tie rod, the type of crossover I choose will determine the location of the tie rod. As the steering box stays where it is, when you move the axle forward it can open up a new can of worms...which I'm trying to avoid.
Thanks again!
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, I was just thinking with the only thing comming off the steering box is a couple of hydrolic line going to a cylinder attached to the front axle , it'd take care of some of the binding issues, but then again, I've only seen a couple trucks with that set up. Looked pretty damn cool though.
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Yeah, that would be a purely hydraulic steering set-up which isn't street legal. It would solve the bind issue, but I drive my K5 almost daily...
The redneck Ram is a hydraulic assist which is different. The drag link and Tie-rod remains and the ram helps push or pull the tie-rod one way or the other...but you still have a mechanical connection to the steering box.
Rene
[/ QUOTE ] Okay, my bad. But yeah, the purely hydraulic steering set-up is awesome. Too bad it isn't street legal. The couple of trucks I've seen with it are running on the streets, but I don't know if it's legal or not.
therobzilla
1/2 ton status
Rene,
In my opinion, I would stay away from high steer, unless you are in the rocks alot or any thing that you need this on, it's a real pain in the ass. Since you are going to run the flexy front spring, as others have said, it's very hard to get the high steer without hitting the spring pack, ask me how I know?? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Besides, it's my opinion that the high steer increases the chance of Death Wobble, the tie rod is not doing as good of a job, in my opinion.
The WFO or SKY stuff is really nice, thought about it for my stuff.
Whatever you do, DO NOT USE HEIM JOINTS, they are not worth a #hit on flexy rigs, again ask me how I know /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Good luck.
Rob
In my opinion, I would stay away from high steer, unless you are in the rocks alot or any thing that you need this on, it's a real pain in the ass. Since you are going to run the flexy front spring, as others have said, it's very hard to get the high steer without hitting the spring pack, ask me how I know?? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Besides, it's my opinion that the high steer increases the chance of Death Wobble, the tie rod is not doing as good of a job, in my opinion.
The WFO or SKY stuff is really nice, thought about it for my stuff.
Whatever you do, DO NOT USE HEIM JOINTS, they are not worth a #hit on flexy rigs, again ask me how I know /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Good luck.
Rob
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Rene,
In my opinion, I would stay away from high steer, unless you are in the rocks alot or any thing that you need this on, it's a real pain in the ass. Since you are going to run the flexy front spring, as others have said, it's very hard to get the high steer without hitting the spring pack, ask me how I know?? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Besides, it's my opinion that the high steer increases the chance of Death Wobble, the tie rod is not doing as good of a job, in my opinion.
The WFO or SKY stuff is really nice, thought about it for my stuff.
Whatever you do, DO NOT USE HEIM JOINTS, they are not worth a #hit on flexy rigs, again ask me how I know /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Good luck.
Rob
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More good info...thanks Rob!
Rene
Rene,
In my opinion, I would stay away from high steer, unless you are in the rocks alot or any thing that you need this on, it's a real pain in the ass. Since you are going to run the flexy front spring, as others have said, it's very hard to get the high steer without hitting the spring pack, ask me how I know?? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Besides, it's my opinion that the high steer increases the chance of Death Wobble, the tie rod is not doing as good of a job, in my opinion.
The WFO or SKY stuff is really nice, thought about it for my stuff.
Whatever you do, DO NOT USE HEIM JOINTS, they are not worth a #hit on flexy rigs, again ask me how I know /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Good luck.
Rob
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More good info...thanks Rob!
Rene
wayne
3/4 ton status
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When you do x-over conversion do you have to remove the sway bar?
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Yep.
When you do x-over conversion do you have to remove the sway bar?
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Yep.
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They weren't my arms that did it. A good friend of mine Fred (FWP) is the one with the bad arms. Stephens own set it doing the same thing he said.
Harley
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Does this seem to be localized to a couple of sets or is it becoming a widespread problem? Any idea how old the arms were? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
I have no experience with crossover but it would seem that the holes wallowing out would be related to loose TRE's? No? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
They weren't my arms that did it. A good friend of mine Fred (FWP) is the one with the bad arms. Stephens own set it doing the same thing he said.
Harley
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Does this seem to be localized to a couple of sets or is it becoming a widespread problem? Any idea how old the arms were? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
I have no experience with crossover but it would seem that the holes wallowing out would be related to loose TRE's? No? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Emmettology 101
3/4 ton status
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But would completely elimenate any interference issues. Have you checked out the Redneck Ram ?? The Stage 2 complete kit is only $450.00 .
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Sorry for the hijack Rene... But the Stage 2 WTO kit is not full on Hydro steering. It is still only hydro assist and is the same as stage 1 but they rebuild you steering box.... Full hydro steering would eliminate the factory steering box all together in favor of an orbital valve.
On topic: Just a suggestion, but some arms that are available dont have the degree built in for the ackerman angle.. I have read alot that this issue is important. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Some more companies that haven't been mentioned for arms: OTT, Rockstomper, BTF..... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
But would completely elimenate any interference issues. Have you checked out the Redneck Ram ?? The Stage 2 complete kit is only $450.00 .
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Sorry for the hijack Rene... But the Stage 2 WTO kit is not full on Hydro steering. It is still only hydro assist and is the same as stage 1 but they rebuild you steering box.... Full hydro steering would eliminate the factory steering box all together in favor of an orbital valve.
On topic: Just a suggestion, but some arms that are available dont have the degree built in for the ackerman angle.. I have read alot that this issue is important. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Some more companies that haven't been mentioned for arms: OTT, Rockstomper, BTF..... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
84_Chevy_K10
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They weren't my arms that did it. A good friend of mine Fred (FWP) is the one with the bad arms. Stephens own set it doing the same thing he said.
Harley
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Does this seem to be localized to a couple of sets or is it becoming a widespread problem? Any idea how old the arms were? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
I have no experience with crossover but it would seem that the holes wallowing out would be related to loose TRE's? No? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
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It seems to me that someone thinks the metal was soft. That may be the case, we really should get the entire story first hand on this one.
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They weren't my arms that did it. A good friend of mine Fred (FWP) is the one with the bad arms. Stephens own set it doing the same thing he said.
Harley
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Does this seem to be localized to a couple of sets or is it becoming a widespread problem? Any idea how old the arms were? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif
I have no experience with crossover but it would seem that the holes wallowing out would be related to loose TRE's? No? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
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It seems to me that someone thinks the metal was soft. That may be the case, we really should get the entire story first hand on this one.
The majority of the arms out there are mild steel...so apples to apples this should be a problem with more than one brand of arm.
Rene
Rene
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It seems to me that someone thinks the metal was soft. That may be the case, we really should get the entire story first hand on this one.
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Agreed. I'd like to hear more. /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif
It seems to me that someone thinks the metal was soft. That may be the case, we really should get the entire story first hand on this one.
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Agreed. I'd like to hear more. /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif
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