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the jake brake minipulates the exhaust valves by not letting them open on some sort of timed setup causing the chamber to produce compression braking.
Incorrect, it opens them at the end of the compression stroke so as to not let the pressure that has built up in the cylinder push back down on the piston. You should look online for an animation that better illustrates this, I know I have seen one somewhere.
 
OK Tyler, seeing as you're on the hot seat right now and all...

Any idea on engine weights for the 3116 and the 3208? My curiosity has been piqued.:)

Rene
 
rjfguitar said:
3) SAE#2 is the bellhousing type, #1 and 2 are by far the most used bellhousings when it comes to commercial diesel engines. As far as using a tranny....It would be an Allison for sure but if I had to have a manual I think it would have to be a clark, they come in both #1&2 bellhousing configurations.
I don't supose either an alison or a clark would easily bolt to a 205 (regular) transfer case would they? That would be super and easy so I doubt it would work.

Like I said in an earlier post on here I used to know a guy who had adapted a bellhousing that I believe was from something like an old diaomond rio. Anyway, the bellhousing fit the 1160, and he modified that to bolt to his 465 tranny. I guess maybe I should find out what bolt pattern an 1160 is. Anyone answer that one?

The way I see it is if he could adapt a bellhousing I can too. I know he had done this conversion for at least a dozen swaps. It can't be that hard if he did it many times.
 
3116 truck engine weighs 1200 dry. I can't remember where I found the specs, but IIRC a 3208 truck engine weighs about 1500 lbs. Of course on top of the this the trans behind them is much heavier than your average light truck trans.
 
Okay, will all this info on CAT stuff I have a few questions...
If someone where to put a cat motor in a chevy or whatever chassis... what would have to be done? I.E. frame reinforment? What kind of axles?
Also, if they have around 600+ ft/lbs of torque, how would gas mileage be when towing? Also, would they be able to use 4x4? Also, what kind of suspension would you have to hold up a 1200+ pound dry engine?

bigtruxx, good idea... buy the body I want (complete truck) for cheap... then eventually build it up to be a better/ultimate tow/hauling rig... hmmm... saves me money at first, then when I have spare cash, I can upgrade as I need. I would be running a gas engine until I would swap to deisel though. ups and downs... thanks

keep discussing all this, I find this very interesting.
 
Also another question.. a bit stupid... but anyways...
besides just finding a engine out of a CAT... what kind of CAT would you find some of these mentioned engines in? Just tractors?
 
84gmcjimmy said:
Okay, will all this info on CAT stuff I have a few questions...
If someone where to put a cat motor in a chevy or whatever chassis... what would have to be done? I.E. frame reinforment? What kind of axles?
Also, if they have around 600+ ft/lbs of torque, how would gas mileage be when towing? Also, would they be able to use 4x4? Also, what kind of suspension would you have to hold up a 1200+ pound dry engine?

bigtruxx, good idea... buy the body I want (complete truck) for cheap... then eventually build it up to be a better/ultimate tow/hauling rig... hmmm... saves me money at first, then when I have spare cash, I can upgrade as I need. I would be running a gas engine until I would swap to deisel though. ups and downs... thanks

keep discussing all this, I find this very interesting.
If you do a search on here, you will find pics of a cat IIRC it was a 3116 in a 1 ton chevy.
It was done by CAT as an exercise to see if they could market it for chevy.
Also I have a 1300# perkins in my K5 and it has the rough country springs, and they are holding up fine.
They are smoother than they are with a gas engine truck. :D
 
Please don't take offense to this Steve, but judging by the questions you have been asking, you probably should not even thinking about taking on the task of swapping in a medium duty diesel into a light truck. I have been planning a swap on and off for the last few years and I still do not feel too comfortable with the task. Give it a few years when you got some more wrenching/fabrication under your belt and you will be much better off. To answer a few of your questions, the 3116 is a truck engine that could be had in Kodiaks and Topkicks as well as a few other medium duty trucks. They basically are a lot like a 5.9 Cummins as far as applications, uses, and versatility.
 
Where did you see these pictures? There have been trucks from each of the big three with 3116/3126 swapped in and all three were done in my building. Of course, it was way before I worked there, but there are still a few people around that worked on it, but most of their memories are pretty fuzzy. Are you sure the truck you're thinking of wasn't the older crewcab with the Kodiak front frame section and 3208? If it was the 3116, it would be the first pics I have seen of an inline 6 Cat into a light truck.
 
No offence taken.
I won't be planning to do it right when I get it. As with anything I will ask a lot of questions and research before I do it. Plus I will have to pick up tools too. But I will wait a few years like you said before I swap a a diesel engine in.
Sorry.
 
No need to be sorry, I just did not want to see you going out and buying an engine only to realize its a lot more work than you thought to do it right.
 
I agree that trying to do a CAT or even a cummins swap is over most people's heads. BB62 is definantly right when he says it's over your head. Heck, l'd have a hard time doing it and I am a diesel mechanic. You are still too young and inexperienced to try something like that, and if you can't afford a late model diesel truck out of your pocket you will be out of cash with the project before you even pick up a wrench or phone. I mean that in general, not directed at you only. Trying to figure out how to make parts work and fit with each other that weren't meant to along with trying to make parts handle more than they were designed for can be a real headache. Not only that but trying to find parts to make the swap a succes could be just as difficult. Just making an Allison or clark work with a transfer case isn't easy.

Everything you do opens another can of worms, example......

You want a cat engine, you have to aquire a transmission that will work. Most that will are not made for a mated transfer case. Then you have to find a t-case designed to be in a divorced setup. You find a military 2 spd case or something, all new shifting linkage would probably have to be fabbed up......get it? Not only is it obviously a long drawn out ordeal but a costly one at that.

As far as the engine physically working...a C7 would fit in just fine. It is about the same size as a 5.9 cummins and weighs 1,200lbs, the cummins 5.9 weighs in at 1,000lbs. In theory a D60 should be able to handle that 1,200 ok but that pretty much rules out some big heavy bumper and winch.

I would love to have a marine C7 with some crazy power mods in an '03-'05 Chevy crew cab LB, Cadi Esc. front clip, Allison tranny with some sort of tcase setup, and instead of a standard D60 I think I would hunt for a new HD D60 out of an '05 Ford SD. That 60 has 35 spline shafts, bigger brakes, already setup for coils, thicker tubes, and most importantly a weight rating of 6K, enough to reliably hold up the 1200lbs from a C7 and Alli. But that would probably cost more than what I paid for my '01 Dodge Cummins just to get the marine C7/Alli/ Ford D60, and tcase setup right and all installed. :whistle:
 
Heck, l'd have a hard time doing it and I am a diesel mechanic
You are a diesel mechanic and do not know how a compression brake works?:rolleyes:
 
84gmcjimmy said:
Okay, will all this info on CAT stuff I have a few questions...
If someone where to put a cat motor in a chevy or whatever chassis... what would have to be done? I.E. frame reinforment? What kind of axles?
Also, if they have around 600+ ft/lbs of torque, how would gas mileage be when towing? Also, would they be able to use 4x4? Also, what kind of suspension would you have to hold up a 1200+ pound dry engine?
well as I have said previously, I used to know a guy that swapped in a lot of 1160 CAT V-8's into Chevys. I know for a fact a 1/2 ton chassis was used since I saw that truck in person one day. But I do not think an IFS setup would handle the load. But then again I don't like IFS too much in general and do not know about what kind of loads it will handle. The frame in the truck I saw myself actually had like 1/2" cut out of the frame where the starter was. This was only because he didnt want to put the starter in after he dropped in the engine. :dunno: Guess since he did it so many times he was getting lazy about it. You will need custom motor mounts. I believe on that V-8 the driver's exhaust manifold was original from the motor with a fabbed pass side due to clearence issues. Also like I have stated before, he used the stock 465 4-speed in chevys. What he did was adapt a bellhousing that mounted to the engine with no mods and modified the back end to bolt up to the tranny. And I am sure when I am able to start on CAT conversions you will be the first to know of any new info. I will most definately share all info and pics I have to help you, or anyone else out for that matter. That's what it is all really about sharing info and helping people learn. :) I believe at this point when I get the chance to start this project I will try to do the same deal with the bellhousing. Makes it "simpler" imo. A clark 5-speed does sound cool w/ a divorced 205, but I do not know a thing about them save for they have 5 speeds... I do not know if they use a slip yoke or fixed yoke. Same goes for the allison auto. I do know the allison and clark are more expensive than the 465.
 
heck steve, if I could afford it I would most gladly after the conversion drive out and show you what I did and assist you with yours. lol
 
I have another ? for you Tyler. What can you tell me about the 1160 CAT V-8? I was once told a long time ago the were garbage and were reffered to as the "throw away" motor.
 
Basically an older 3208 with a different fuel system as far as I know.
 
BlueBlazer62 said:
You are a diesel mechanic and do not know how a compression brake works?:rolleyes:
Um I do know how they work. I have even rebuilt jakes before.
 

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