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that's where responsible land use and activism come in on your part! :wink1:

i'm trying to get super involved w/ the forest service here. one thing i'm wanting to do is to go up and repair illegal 4wd trails that have been recklessly cut into the terrain - likely for one dudes drunken stupidity. my hope is that by positively reclaiming the face of 4wd, i can get involved in land planning and get GOOD and CHALLENGING trails designed, built and opened up here in southern oregon... :wink1:
I like the way you think. Unfortunately there really arent a whole lot of forest areas around here that would ever be open to 4wd vehicles. I live near Chicago so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look
 
woah. no kidding. i just looked it up, and you've only got one national forest in illinois on the south part of the state and then a prairie. bummer, dude. guess i can cross illinois off of my states-to-live-in list. :(

top 5 states for having the most land area as national forests in order of greatest to least:

Alaska
California
Idaho
Montana
Oregon

interesting little google action there... didn't know that.
 
that's where responsible land use and activism come in on your part! :wink1:

i'm trying to get super involved w/ the forest service here. one thing i'm wanting to do is to go up and repair illegal 4wd trails that have been recklessly cut into the terrain - likely for one dudes drunken stupidity. my hope is that by positively reclaiming the face of 4wd, i can get involved in land planning and get GOOD and CHALLENGING trails designed, built and opened up here in southern oregon... :wink1:

That has been tried here. Organized wilderness clean ups, protests, Lots of letters to different levels of government. Basically nothing really worked. Lots of details that I won't bother posting. What it comes down to is most wheelers that like the more challenging stuff just trespass and make our own trails. Try to keep quiet about areas and keep the info off the net. It's not just wheelers it's also mountain bikers, dirtbikers and quad riders.
 
i live in the upper penninsula of michigan and unlike the lower portion of the state any trail on state land is open to responsible use unless posted closed. if it is a posted snowmobile trail once there is snow it is closed to wheeled vehicles but during the summer months they dont care as long as your not running the same mudhole tons of times. we are really lucky up here in that aspect. there is hundreds miles of trail with different kinds of terrain in the u.p.
 
oh and i will wheel just about anything. im not that fond of rocks just cause my blazer isnt setup for rock
 
I grew up in the U.P. and still miss it. Deer camp is up there so I get to run logging trails from time to time, but it's not hardcore - I've seen minivans in places. I want to plan a trip some summer just to run trails from Seney and through the National forest. Wheeling to explore is fun.

Off road parks can be the best wheeling anywhere and make for a great day or two, but after you've run everything the fun tapers off. I think that's part of why guys will keep trying harder and harder stuff until they break or roll.
 
I voted "only trail," however Arizona IS an off road park. So I guess I'd have to vote Parks too.
I love wheelin' to see the places not too many people ever get to see unless they wheel! I like rocks over mud (mud is fun but I hate cleaning it off the truck)
BTW, when you comming down to Phoenix (Not the town above you) again Colby? We want to see that new rig you have.
 
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woah. no kidding. i just looked it up, and you've only got one national forest in illinois on the south part of the state and then a prairie. bummer, dude. guess i can cross illinois off of my states-to-live-in list. :(

top 5 states for having the most land area as national forests in order of greatest to least:

Alaska
California
Idaho
Montana
Oregon

interesting little google action there... didn't know that.
Yep and I bet that's by Southern Illinois University. My friend goes there and I visited him last year, there's lots of places to wheel. Not sure if its all legal but he knows someone who got stopped by some cops and they gave him a map of the surrounding area so they wouldnt get lost :wink1:. Really nice area but its a 6 hour drive for me :(
 
What it comes down to is most wheelers that like the more challenging stuff just trespass and make our own trails. Try to keep quiet about areas and keep the info off the net. It's not just wheelers it's also mountain bikers, dirtbikers and quad riders.

that's simply the wrong attitude to have. i can understand the frustration, but intentionally doing something that you know is illegal is just plain wrong - and an absolute embarrassment to those of us who want to do it right. whatever the sport. i seriously doubt that these guys have sat down and planned how the trail will affect the ecology of the region (i.e., how will silt from mud flow, if it gets into what river - how will that affect plant and animal life, what kinds of root systems will be torn up and how will that affect the forest, blah blah blah.) i guess i could go on and on about this, but that's because there are few things in life that piss me off more than this attitude. :mad: the fact is, our sport permanently affects the land and we MUST be conscientious stewards of that land.

I voted "only trail," however Arizona IS an off road park. So I guess I'd have to vote Parks too.
I love wheelin' to see the places not too many people ever get to see unless they wheel! I like rocks over mud (mud is fun but I hate cleaning it off the truck)
BTW, when you comming down to Phoenix (Not the town above you) again Colby? We want to see that new rig you have.

I would LOVE to come back to Arizona soon. nothing in the works at the moment. However, if I don't come down this summer, it's very likely I will come down next Christmas. By then I should be set up pretty well to rock something a bit more challenging than Martinez... not that it wasn't challenging and cool... it's just that the addiction always cries out for a stronger fix! :D

You lucky bastards and your rocks!
 
that's simply the wrong attitude to have. i can understand the frustration, but intentionally doing something that you know is illegal is just plain wrong - and an absolute embarrassment to those of us who want to do it right. whatever the sport. i seriously doubt that these guys have sat down and planned how the trail will affect the ecology of the region (i.e., how will silt from mud flow, if it gets into what river - how will that affect plant and animal life, what kinds of root systems will be torn up and how will that affect the forest, blah blah blah.) i guess i could go on and on about this, but that's because there are few things in life that piss me off more than this attitude. :mad: the fact is, our sport permanently affects the land and we MUST be conscientious stewards of that land.
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Colby, your from a different place. This battle for rights to the woods has been going on here since the early 90's. The logging companies here own most of the land. They have every right to gate enterances and post No Tresspassing signs. They used to leave these area's open and they end up with stolen cars burnt, vandalism to their machines and garbage dumping in their woods. I parsonally like it how we have it now. Gates are up. Usually only capable rigs, quads and dirtbikes can get in. There's little garbage and no burnt cars. I have never heard of anyone getting prosecuted on these lands. As for the environmental impact. We tend to only cut alders(weed trees) for trails. Creek crossings are normal but it's pretty rare to see someone playing in the water and doing any real damage. Remember this is private logging land. Some of the nicest wilderness out there but if your worried about a little creek or silt in a lake you gotta see when they work the area's. It's only gonna get logged or sold and developed. They are not Parks.

Your area may be different or have a different history but for here and now doing what you do and keeping it quiet is best, as I see it.

I ride dirtbikes with my six year old and teach him this way. We ride in around gates, he knows it's illigal and he understands why. I also teach him that if I ever see him litter out there he won't be going back.

Yes I knowingly break the law. I grew up here and know and understand the area pretty well. If the area was to have advertised public access it would be a mess. Like most here, wheelin is one of my hobbies and I enjoy it with my family. If I was not to break the law I don't wheel.
 
If I owned the land you wheel on, I would be one pissed off mofo......

You have every right to go buy your own land to wheel on. Your reasoning is just piss poor and you teach your own damn kid to disrespect and break the law. You are a Joke!
 
i am from ky where logging has been a big business for as long as i can remember, and i can tell you,the mess they make is often so extensive, that they woiuld never notice the damage done by wheelers. what they do notice is the vandalism and littering and thats what they have a problem with. i did the samething as SOPE growing up and thats just how it was. the logging companies just wanted to keep out the rif-raf and punks that were doin dirt. they had no problem with the wheelers like us cus they didnt harm anything. and by putting up the signs and gates they were able to keep out the folks that just wanted to mess things up and dump garbage. folks with 4x4s came and went as they pleased, 99% of wich went un noticed.

it really is kinda ass backwards for all the land conservation and treehuggers to tryn use the eco friendly card to shut down public lands to motorized vehicles.

especially when, in cases involving lucrative buisness ventures, their voices are squashed by the corporate bigwigs that, after lobbying local and state govt, are able to purchase and clearcut hundreds of thousands of acres every year to build subdivisions and shopping malls. Dont really hear many treehuggers complaining bout that. know why? cus they live in these subdivisions and shop in these same shopping malls that destroyed more habitat in one project than the entire community of wheelers have destroyed in their existance. but none of them have 4 wheel drives or family traditions of camping and offroading in these areas so of course total shutdown and denial is great for them.

what about the environmental impact of these structures and thousands of acres of concrete and asphault that go with them? those are just fine for the environment (AHEM! economy) arent they? yes i must say a giant parking lot is just what the environment has been needing.

in the grand scheme of things the damage done by wheelers is so minute that i cant believe that its even an issue. the community of wheelers, i think, is capable and will polic eitself. there are always examples of peole doing something their not supposed to but those numbers in comparison to the number of us that dont, litter or vandalize is tiny. what we as wheelers have to do is band together, like the treehuggers have, so that we may be heard. because in these cases most of the time those with the biggest voice will win the day.
 
We all agree that the enviro-nuts are illogical, but the fact still stands, that if you dont own the land or have the blessing from the land owner, you shoud stay off.
 
Where is the all of the above option? I like all sorts of wheeling. I prefer trails with rocks. I'm not a serious fan of mud but know it's part of the game.
 
If I owned the land you wheel on, I would be one pissed off mofo......

You have every right to go buy your own land to wheel on. Your reasoning is just piss poor and you teach your own damn kid to disrespect and break the law. You are a Joke!

All our land is owned. Yes my kid rides where I did as a kid. There is generally no motore vehicles allowed off road on public land. I'm not talking some guys property of 50 acres. I'm taliking about huge forest companies. I believe you would have to live in here to get it.

In the US, who ownes the land you wheel and ride on?
 
CHADDY is right, if you dont have permission, then you shouldnt be there, or at least be prepared to face the consequences for your actions.

but in certain parts of the country, like where im from and it sounds like where SOPE is from also, its kind of a dont ask dont tell policy between the loggers and the wheelers. sure ther were no trespassing signs and gates, but it was obvious that wheeling went on there. we're talking hundreds of thousands of acres of forest land that is un-inhabitted and impassable by anything but a 4x4 here so this is not someones back yard.

all the loggers knew everyone wheeled there, and they were ok with it long as people didnt mess nothin up ( machinery and such). we never had to run from em, hell alot of the guys that worked there rode there as well.

in a way it was kinda like we were allowed to be there cus they knew we would say something to anyone that was doin dirt and probobly turn them in cus it would ruin it for everyone.

i have been told by a land owner when i accidently crossed a boundary line that i wasnt allowed to be there, and i left, never to return.

none of this makes it 100% right, but i think it proves that for the most part people that wheel are a good buncha folks and take better care of the trails and forest than the average person.
 
This is in Canada.
Yup same kinda thing. No logger would ever care and yes they do wheel and ride in these area's. There used to be public acess to these lands when I was young. It's not patrolled by anybody the only thing they do to keep people out is they dig up enterances when they get so stockish rigs can get in. They leave the ones that capable rigs get in. They know we're in there.
If they ever wanted to use you as an example you would have to face the concequences.
 
I miss Washington for the trails. They're all over the place and open to the public. Log trails, skidder trails, forestry access roads, fire lanes, and any two track running throught the woods is where I feel at home. Here is Kansas, there isnt much for wheelin unless I drive four hours south or three north to OHV parks. I've heard Tuttle creek and Disney are awesome and have a variety, but right now its too far for me.
 
land owners blessing

Okay we get it you want to be all legal and such which is all good and all but how do i find out if these places are legal or not. the trails i go to every week are owned by the water/power/phone companies. so far i have asked the fire/police/sherrifs/forestry/and even the fish and game warden and all of them say i dunno if its legal or not. heres the best part when were up in the hills people from the utility companies have stopped said hi and on occasion had a few beer with us. the only time we ever have issues is when dumb i just went to bass pro yuppies come out and start shootin pistols, shotguns, etc. even then the cops just asked us where those guys were and even added have a good time wheelin. I would have no problem with not using that land as long as someone expresses a complaint with me being on there land. by the way is there a better source for finding legitimate zoning maps for ohv. :confused:
 

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